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Re: Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread
« Reply #725 on: May 21, 2024, 08:07:58 pm »
through 5, not counting the runs in the 6th, Corbin's FIP jumped from 4.14 to 4.87 with the homers, and his ERA jumped 6.24 from mid-5s.

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Re: Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread
« Reply #726 on: May 21, 2024, 08:10:13 pm »
Thats not very good

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Re: Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread
« Reply #727 on: May 21, 2024, 08:13:26 pm »
Send him back out for the 7th, then Patterson his ass the moment either Gray or Cavalli are ready?

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Re: Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread
« Reply #728 on: May 21, 2024, 08:16:54 pm »
Send him back out for the 7th, then Patterson his ass the moment either Gray or Cavalli are ready?
gonna need to cut somebody when Gray is back. It should be him or Rainey. If it's Parker, then there's a mutiny.

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Re: Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread
« Reply #729 on: May 21, 2024, 08:30:26 pm »
Send him back out for the 7th, then Patterson his ass the moment either Gray or Cavalli are ready?

Good to hear from you stranger. Only old timers know Patterson his ass. Now it is Dickerson his ass.

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Re: Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread
« Reply #730 on: May 21, 2024, 08:36:40 pm »
I know we have to pay Corbin but do we really have to play him?? Really? Can’t we bring up a kid who MAY be part of our future?…Because Corbin sure isn’t.
He may have a decent start now and again but he usually gets pounded early and often.

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Re: Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread
« Reply #731 on: May 21, 2024, 08:39:18 pm »
Good to hear from you stranger. Only old timers know Patterson his ass. Now it is Dickerson his ass.

Hello AB. Still make it to Katie's Coffee?

Who was it that came up with the Patterson thing, NOTLD?

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Re: Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread
« Reply #732 on: May 21, 2024, 08:45:03 pm »
I know we have to pay Corbin but do we really have to play him?? Really? Can’t we bring up a kid who MAY be part of our future?…Because Corbin sure isn’t.
He may have a decent start now and again but he usually gets pounded early and often.

Often and early
Is how some like their poundings
Perhaps not Corbin

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Re: Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread
« Reply #733 on: May 21, 2024, 09:09:41 pm »
gonna need to cut somebody when Gray is back. It should be him or Rainey. If it's Parker, then there's a mutiny.
At this rate, Cavalli and Gray will be ready pretty close to each other.

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Re: Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread
« Reply #734 on: May 21, 2024, 09:10:31 pm »
I know we have to pay Corbin but do we really have to play him?? Really? Can’t we bring up a kid who MAY be part of our future?…Because Corbin sure isn’t.
He may have a decent start now and again but he usually gets pounded early and often.
There is literally no pitching prospect who would be better than Corbin. And with Corbin, you can say you dont care about pitch count or arm injuries.

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Re: Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread
« Reply #735 on: May 21, 2024, 09:17:28 pm »
While the Rochester rotation is mostly home grown (Adon, Rutledge) or acquired as prospects (Ward, Herz), they are all having off years. The AA pitchers are having better years, but it's way too early for most of them to be thought of as rosterable. it's waiting on Gray and Cavalli, and maybe in a couple of months a Herz or Rutledge will get their act together enough.

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Re: Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread
« Reply #736 on: May 21, 2024, 09:18:36 pm »
If corbin limits his starts like this to one out of every 4 starts, then that's survivable.

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Re: Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread
« Reply #737 on: May 21, 2024, 09:20:20 pm »
Hello AB. Still make it to Katie's Coffee?

Who was it that came up with the Patterson thing, NOTLD?

Haven’t been since late 2019. Still have the Cobra and I would like to sell it but haven’t done anything. I will drive it this weekend for the first time this year. I’m  not sure who coined the term.  I think I may have been the first to use Dickerson him. Hope all is well with you and the family.

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Re: Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread
« Reply #738 on: May 21, 2024, 09:23:23 pm »
If corbin limits his starts like this to one out of every 4 starts, then that's survivable.

Rainey and Corbin
Sans Max Stras Trea and Soto
Will no series win

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Re: Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread
« Reply #739 on: May 21, 2024, 11:13:32 pm »
If corbin limits his starts like this to one out of every 4 starts, then that's survivable.

Y'ever wonder what Rizzo tells Mini Me he can get for Corbin at the deadline?  I'm not sure the Cubs would give him an Ernie Banks rookie card.  But Mini Me probably just says "hey, I'm paying him $25m this year, and $10m next year in deferrrals!  he must pitch! 

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Re: Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread
« Reply #740 on: May 22, 2024, 09:04:01 am »
Y'ever wonder what Rizzo tells Mini Me he can get for Corbin at the deadline?  I'm not sure the Cubs would give him an Ernie Banks rookie card.  But Mini Me probably just says "hey, I'm paying him $25m this year, and $10m next year in deferrrals!  he must pitch! 
w/r/t Corbin, I'm not going to go "it's just playing the contract" at this point until we get to the point where he's taking a spot away from someone who is going to perform better or has shown he needs to pitch in the majors now to get to his potential. There is no one in Rochester performing at that level. Ward, Adon, Rutledge, and Herz are all pitching pretty badly this year. They have another AAAA guy, but I have zero expectation of an upgrade. The pitchers at Harrisburg aren't ready yet, either. 

As between Gray and Corbin, it is a disappointingly close call.  If Corbin is still in the rotation when Cavalli and Gray are healthy, and Parker and Irvin are sent down for no credible reason, then I'll say it is just playing the contract. You could also have an argument that they should have spent money this winter, but at this point in the development curve, I want to see system products - Cavalli, Gore, Gray, Irvin, and another internal (would have planned on Rutledge over the winter, but am more than pleased with Parker so far).

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Re: Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread
« Reply #741 on: June 04, 2024, 06:07:21 pm »

Sux having tickets to a game he's slated to start...only bight side is it may be a rainout tomorrow and we'll have simply lost 7 or 8 hours in travel time coupled with waiting for the Lerner's to finally call it off...

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Re: Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread
« Reply #742 on: June 04, 2024, 06:32:13 pm »
Sux having tickets to a game he's slated to start...only bight side is it may be a rainout tomorrow and we'll have simply lost 7 or 8 hours in travel time coupled with waiting for the Lerner's to finally call it off...

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i remember going to a game a few years ago that was started by one of the Taylors (don't recall which one) and having that feeling of having wasted money. IIRC, whatever Taylor it was only lasted a couple of innings and we lost.

I guess just balance it with the games you went to that were started by guys named Max and Stephen?

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Re: Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread
« Reply #743 on: June 04, 2024, 06:38:57 pm »
It should have been Corbin rather than Williams on the IL. It just isn’t fair.

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Re: Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread
« Reply #744 on: June 04, 2024, 11:01:47 pm »
w/r/t Corbin, I'm not going to go "it's just playing the contract" at this point until we get to the point where he's taking a spot away from someone who is going to perform better

Just check out his K rate and walk rate.  The batting practice pitcher would perform better.  And Corbin's not that far from needing an L screen to protect himself.

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Re: Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread
« Reply #745 on: June 05, 2024, 12:24:22 am »
Just check out his K rate and walk rate.  The batting practice pitcher would perform better.  And Corbin's not that far from needing an L screen to protect himself.

His walk rate is acceptable and his would-be replacement has an ERA of 9.00.

JCA is right. He's not taking anyone's spot.

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Re: Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread
« Reply #746 on: June 05, 2024, 12:39:12 am »
His walk rate is acceptable and his would-be replacement has an ERA of 9.00.

JCA is right. He's not taking anyone's spot.

His walk rate of 3.5 is not acceptable when it comes with a K rate of 5.6, which is 75th out of 76 starters with enough innings to qualify, and #76 has an ERA that's 2 runs lower.   Nothing about how he pitches now is acceptable for a major league starter.  He's not talking anyone's spot because of his contract, but he certainly doesn't deserve it, and no other team would let him start a game for them.

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Re: Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread
« Reply #747 on: June 05, 2024, 07:56:59 am »
His walk rate of 3.5 is not acceptable when it comes with a K rate of 5.6, which is 75th out of 76 starters with enough innings to qualify, and #76 has an ERA that's 2 runs lower.   Nothing about how he pitches now is acceptable for a major league starter.  He's not talking anyone's spot because of his contract, but he certainly doesn't deserve it, and no other team would let him start a game for them.
He's not taking anyone's spot because there is no one else.

If he were released today, he'd be signed by another major league team within a week.

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Re: Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread
« Reply #748 on: June 05, 2024, 08:07:52 am »
If he were released today, he'd be signed by another major league team within a week.

Only because he's worth exactly what they'd have to pay him...essentially nothing...

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Re: Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread
« Reply #749 on: June 05, 2024, 08:10:41 am »
We literally saw his would-be replacement last night. Some promise, but not ready. Huge burden on the bullpen, especially after Gore's off game.  Now, without Williams, we really can't kick Corbin to the curb until 2 of 3 things happen: Herz shows more,  Cavalli is ready, and /or Gray is back.