Author Topic: Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread (Read 69470 times)

aspenbubba · « **Reply #625 on:** March 26, 2023, 07:53:08 am »

Quote from: imref on March 25, 2023, 03:55:06 pm

Corbin gets his final ST start today. Hopefully he continues to pitch well.

Still sucks

welch · « **Reply #626 on:** March 26, 2023, 09:08:40 am »

Corbin is consistent.

IanRubbish · « **Reply #627 on:** March 26, 2023, 11:01:21 pm »

Quote from: welch on March 26, 2023, 09:08:40 am

Corbin is consistent.

Consistently gives up a lot of HRs to the Braves. If he's still pitching by the 5th inning Wednesday I'll be surprised.

welch · « **Reply #628 on:** March 27, 2023, 10:25:13 am »

Quote from: IanRubbish on March 26, 2023, 11:01:21 pm

Consistently gives up a lot of HRs to the Braves. If he's still pitching by the 5th inning Wednesday I'll be surprised.

Yes. Consistently dooms any chance of a win.

catocony · « **Reply #629 on:** March 30, 2023, 03:59:29 pm »

A classic Corbin start on Opening Day. 3 IP, 85 pitches total (one batter in the 4th, hit a double). Gave up 4 runs, 2 earned. 6.00 ERA, and thankfully with a day off tomorrow didn't doom the bullpen right out of the gate.

Ali the Baseball Cat · « **Reply #630 on:** March 30, 2023, 04:55:31 pm »

Good thing for him that the only metric that counts for anything in this country is how much one is paid, which makes him our ace.

imref · « **Reply #631 on:** March 30, 2023, 06:39:11 pm »

Corbin had a better outing than deGrom and Nola.

IanRubbish · « **Reply #632 on:** March 31, 2023, 07:15:09 am »

Quote from: imref on March 30, 2023, 06:39:11 pm

Corbin had a better outing than deGrom and Nola.

DeGrom K'd 7 with 0 walks.

As was the case in the Nats game, a lot of cheap hits everywhere yesterday. The Rockies had 17 hits but also struck out 17 times and walked just once. Blake Snell was in trouble every inning for the Padres, but struck out 9 in 4 1/3. Logan Webb struck out 12 for the Giants in 6 innings but gave up 4 earned runs. Hunter Greene struck out 8 and lasted 3 1/3. The Cardinals had 15 hits and lost. The Orioles had 15 hits and 9 walks and almost lost. Defense all around was miserable, lot of teams struggling to adjust to the new rules.

Corbin's outing was bad because he had few swings and misses, walked 3 in 3 innings, which combined to drive up his pitch count. The defense was bad, especially CJ, but that wasn't why he had a bad outing.

imref · « **Reply #633 on:** March 31, 2023, 09:24:51 am »

deGrom gave up 5ER on 6H in 3.2 IP. Corbin gave up 2ER on 7H in 3IP.

Yes, deGrom struck out 7 and walked none, but last time I checked, baseball results were decided by who scored the most runs, not by who struck out the most batters. Ergo, Corbin had the better start.

IanRubbish · « **Reply #634 on:** March 31, 2023, 09:44:02 am »

Quote from: imref on March 31, 2023, 09:24:51 am

deGrom gave up 5ER on 6H in 3.2 IP. Corbin gave up 2ER on 7H in 3IP.

Yes, deGrom struck out 7 and walked none, but last time I checked, baseball results were decided by who scored the most runs, not by who struck out the most batters. Ergo, Corbin had the better start.

But there's a degree of luck in giving up hits, much less luck in K's and walks. That's why for success over 162 games it's much better to have 7 K's and 0 walks to 3 K's and 3 walks, and why deGrom had a better outing than Corbin.

imref · « **Reply #635 on:** March 31, 2023, 09:49:31 am »

Quote from: IanRubbish on March 31, 2023, 09:44:02 am

But there's a degree of luck in giving up hits, much less luck in K's and walks. That's why for success over 162 games it's much better to have 7 K's and 0 walks to 3 K's and 3 walks, and why deGrom had a better outing than Corbin.

mmmmkay....

Corbin's outing might have been a bit better if Abrams played his position too.

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #636 on:** March 31, 2023, 10:04:02 am »

DeGrom is the much better pitcher but sucked yesterday. I am sure he will do better. His issue is staying healthy. Corbin is like a bizzaro world DeGrom. Sucks but always healthy.

Elvir Ovcina · « **Reply #637 on:** March 31, 2023, 10:05:51 am »

Quote from: imref on March 31, 2023, 09:24:51 am

deGrom gave up 5ER on 6H in 3.2 IP. Corbin gave up 2ER on 7H in 3IP.

Yes, deGrom struck out 7 and walked none, but last time I checked, baseball results were decided by who scored the most runs, not by who struck out the most batters. Ergo, Corbin had the better start.

This is like being the fastest punter at the NFL combine. All the times are terrible and the differences don't really matter.

imref · « **Reply #638 on:** March 31, 2023, 10:48:16 am »

Quote from: Elvir Ovcina on March 31, 2023, 10:05:51 am

This is like being the fastest punter at the NFL combine. All the times are terrible and the differences don't really matter.

yep.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #639 on:** March 31, 2023, 11:17:46 am »

Quote from: imref on March 31, 2023, 09:24:51 am

deGrom gave up 5ER on 6H in 3.2 IP. Corbin gave up 2ER on 7H in 3IP.

Yes, deGrom struck out 7 and walked none, but last time I checked, baseball results were decided by who scored the most runs, not by who struck out the most batters. Ergo, Corbin had the better start.

also, ER isn't a great measure of Corbin's effectiveness. You allow balls in play, you are allowing for errors, which isn't so good if you don't have a solid infield. There really is some merit to fielding independent pitching, even though it is imperfect, too.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #640 on:** March 31, 2023, 11:25:53 am »

Quote from: Elvir Ovcina on March 31, 2023, 10:05:51 am

This is like being the fastest punter at the NFL combine. All the times are terrible and the differences don't really matter.

Fastest (running) punter is a lot less relevant than Ks and BBs in judging a pitcher's performance. It's a lot tougher to be a quality pitcher with a 1:1 K:BB than it is when the ratio is 4:1. There are some downsides to allowing a lot of contact and walk a man an inning. However, maybe the truth is obvious here - both guys gave up a lot of runs.

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #641 on:** March 31, 2023, 11:51:17 am »

Quote from: Elvir Ovcina on March 31, 2023, 10:05:51 am

This is like being the fastest punter at the NFL combine. All the times are terrible and the differences don't really matter.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nfl/hard-to-watch-nfl-clash-marred-by-sickening-collision-as-ambulance-called-for-bills-star/news-story/4aeb7f3f828836c0723587a5aaa76212

IanRubbish · « **Reply #642 on:** March 31, 2023, 02:13:10 pm »

Quote from: Elvir Ovcina on March 31, 2023, 10:05:51 am

This is like being the fastest punter at the NFL combine. All the times are terrible and the differences don't really matter.

There was miserable defense in many games yesterday, some of the bad pitching was made a lot worse by bad play in the field.

welch · « **Reply #643 on:** April 01, 2023, 12:43:15 pm »

Adon, Tetreault (recovering) , and Lee (recovering) next up starters. Maybe a month of Corbin, and then shelve him. Corbin lacked the control to hit corners...without it, can he be a relief pitcher?