Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread

[IanRubbish]

The contract was always bad and you were right. But for heavens sake everyone knows starting pitcher wins and losses are meaningless. His ERA in 2019 was 3.25. People often use FIP as a better predictor of the future but that was 3.49. He was one of the better MLB starting pitchers in 2019.

His K rate peaked in 2018 and 2019 and has slid to levels unacceptable for a modern MLB pitcher.  He also had a career low HR/9 in 2018 that the Nats have been paying for, because since then he's been hit hard.  He's aging badly except instead of getting injured, he just gets worse and worse at getting outs.  It's a tossup between him and Keibert for who wins the Lerner & Rizzo "Play the Contract" award.

[RobDibblesGhost]

Hmmm. The Nats are using tomorrow’s off day to skip Corbin’s turn in the rotation.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Hmmm. The Nats are using tomorrow’s off day to skip Corbin’s turn in the rotation.

yes. I thought that might happen when, at the start of the 17 games in 17 days stretch, they switched his spot in the rotation with Parker's. I suppose if Herz pitches well today, they may keep him on schedule for Friday, but more likely they would slot Corbin in on Friday and get Herz an extra day. 

[RobDibblesGhost]

yes. I thought that might happen when, at the start of the 17 games in 17 days stretch, they switched his spot in the rotation with Parker's. I suppose if Herz pitches well today, they may keep him on schedule for Friday, but more likely they would slot Corbin in on Friday and get Herz an extra day. 

Sounds like he’ll be slotted in the fifth spot.

[aspenbubba]

Todays game will be punted due to Corbin starting followed by Weems and Rainey.

[Senatorswin]

Hmmm. The Nats are using tomorrow’s off day to skip Corbin’s turn in the rotation.

Mistake. Get the young arms more rest when you can.

[Slateman]

https://x.com/brooks_gate/status/1801266347654922271?s=46&t=_Z-p2f0bZKf6ZfuOisokbg

[nobleisthyname]

https://x.com/brooks_gate/status/1801266347654922271?s=46&t=_Z-p2f0bZKf6ZfuOisokbg

 

[varoadking]

https://x.com/brooks_gate/status/1801266347654922271?s=46&t=_Z-p2f0bZKf6ZfuOisokbg

Surprised he wasn't the worst in multiple categories last year as well...

[tomterp]

Surprised he wasn't the worst in multiple categories last year as well...

That was for the last full year, same date last year.  So more heavily weighted towards last season vs. this.

[aspenbubba]

If today was any indication that Herz is a legitimate starter then when Gray returns Corbin to the pen.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

If today was any indication that Herz is a legitimate starter then when Gray returns Corbin to the pen.

there will be a call in about 10-14 days. Gray gets at least 1 more start in the minors, Herz has to back this up with another good start. Corbin can save his butt with another start or two like his last one. There's also the matter of who to cut. Weems, Rainey would have to be released. Herz can be optioned down.

[Slateman]

Herz will get one more start, at least. Im not sure how much stock I put in a start against the Marlins. They're pretty much a Triple A team

[Natsinpwc]

If today was any indication that Herz is a legitimate starter then when Gray returns Corbin to the pen.

Yes. Time to shelve Corbin. Somewhere in the back of the pantry.

[Natsinpwc]

Herz will get one more start, at least. Im not sure how much stock I put in a start against the Marlins. They're pretty much a Triple A team

A Triple A team that is averaging 3.5 runs a game against other MLB pitchers.  It’s impressive.

[aspenbubba]

there will be a call in about 10-14 days. Gray gets at least 1 more start in the minors, Herz has to back this up with another good start. Corbin can save his butt with another start or two like his last one. There's also the matter of who to cut. Weems, Rainey would have to be released. Herz can be optioned down.

Why would you option Herz if he continues. Weems needs to spend sometime in Rochester.

[Slateman]

A Triple A team that is averaging 3.5 runs a game against other MLB pitchers.  It’s impressive.

Considering they are second to last in wRC+ and the Nationals average 4runs a game, not really.

[Natsinpwc]

Considering they are second to last in wRC+ and the Nationals average 4runs a game, not really.

He should have given up a few runs then to make you feel better. Or maybe not so many strike outs.

[Slateman]

He should have given up a few runs then to make you feel better. Or maybe not so many strike outs.

I'm just not putting a ton of stock in it, especially considering his first two starts. I'm also not sure if Gray is actually an improvement over Corbin . . .

[Natsinpwc]

I'm just not putting a ton of stock in it, especially considering his first two starts. I'm also not sure if Gray is actually an improvement over Corbin . . .

Gray might not be. But he needs the chance. Corbin has no future.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Gray actually has an option (roster resource says he has all 3), so he does not have to be added to the roster after his rehab. In that case, make it a meritocracy. He has to pitch better than Corbin or Herz has to fall off to get a slot.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Why would you option Herz if he continues. Weems needs to spend sometime in Rochester.

Weems would have to pass through waivers. Not saying he won't, but you would risk losing him. Same for Rainey.

The only relievers that can be optioned are Finnegan, Harvey, and the Grateful Dead's songwriting team, Robert Hunter/Jerry Garcia. That's not happening. If Herz is mediocre, then you may option him if Corbin is doing well enough. But first, I'd make Gray earn the job.

[aspenbubba]

Weems would have to pass through waivers. Not saying he won't, but you would risk losing him. Same for Rainey.

The only relievers that can be optioned are Finnegan, Harvey, and the Grateful Dead's songwriting team, Robert Hunter/Jerry Garcia. That's not happening. If Herz is mediocre, then you may option him if Corbin is doing well enough. But first, I'd make Gray earn the job.

I doubt if Wens would be claimed and yes Grsy needs to earn his job back. He is only a 4 or 5  on a competitive team. His All Star selection was by default as one Nat had to be selected.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

I doubt if Weems would be claimed and yes Gray needs to earn his job back. He is only a 4 or 5  on a competitive team. His All Star selection was by default as one Nat had to be selected.

should have been Lane!

[imref]

Seems if we are going to trade Corbin, now is the time, especially with a number of other sell-candidate pitchers going down with UCL tears in the last few weeks:

https://www.masnsports.com/blog/corbin-s-string-of-solid-starts-makes-nats-upcoming-decision-harder