Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread

[Natsinpwc]

i'm happy for Corbin after all the struggles. He'll probably be able to get at least a one year deal with an option for a second for next year.

If he wants to pitch he will get a one year minor league deal and see if he can make a team. No one is giving him much to start. If he had gone to the pen think it would have helped him. I suspect he will retire.

[Smithian]

If he wants to pitch he will get a one year minor league deal and see if he can make a team. No one is giving him much to start. If he had gone to the pen think it would have helped him. I suspect he will retire.

Some franchise will see his late season bounce, his remarkable durability, and his FIP and talk themselves into offering him. Heck, if he was doing this on some AL club, I'd be able to talk myself into him getting a fresh start as a back of the rotation spot arm on a low contract.

I think he'll happily take a chance to end his career somewhere other than Washington D.C. and walk away with better memories. I can't imagine he'd had a pleasant few years.

[imref]

yeah, he'll get a major league deal. Maybe with Arizona?  I don't see the Nationals bringing him back.

[Natsinpwc]

yeah, he'll get a major league deal. Maybe with Arizona?  I don't see the Nationals bringing him back.

He's literally been the worst starting pitcher in baseball the last five years.

[Natsinpwc]

Some franchise will see his late season bounce, his remarkable durability, and his FIP and talk themselves into offering him. Heck, if he was doing this on some AL club, I'd be able to talk myself into him getting a fresh start as a back of the rotation spot arm on a low contract.

I think he'll happily take a chance to end his career somewhere other than Washington D.C. and walk away with better memories. I can't imagine he'd had a pleasant few years.

He's not going to be any better with another team. 

[Natsinpwc]

The Athletic has him listed as number 35 of 35.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5419703/2024/04/17/mlb-free-agents-2024-2025-offseason/

[nfotiu]

Some franchise will see his late season bounce, his remarkable durability, and his FIP and talk themselves into offering him. Heck, if he was doing this on some AL club, I'd be able to talk myself into him getting a fresh start as a back of the rotation spot arm on a low contract.

I think he'll happily take a chance to end his career somewhere other than Washington D.C. and walk away with better memories. I can't imagine he'd had a pleasant few years.

He'll be 36 next year, won a world series with us and made 135 million over his career.   

He's not going to crack the starting rotation on a better team than the Nats.

I am guessing he retires, unless he really isn't ready to give up the sport yet.

[varoadking]

Rizzo will give him an extension...hard to find guys that take the ball every 5 days...

[Senatorswin]

A while back Charley and Dave talked about the changes he's made. I don't remember the particulars.

Watching yesterday it seemed like all his pitches were on the black. Rarely left it over the heart of the plate.

[Smithian]

He's shown signs of life before. Let's see how he finishes the season.

[imref]

He's literally been the worst starting pitcher in baseball the last five years.

LH pitchers who eat innings are still valuable.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

At the least, somebody will sign him to a minor league contract with a non-roster invite if he wants it. He's out of the big AAV contracts situation, but there's the backend innings eater role that could keep him around if he's mediocre. Of course, mediocre is an aspiration at the point for him.

[Natsinpwc]

LH pitchers who eat innings are still valuable.

I don’t think the handedness matters much for starters. If he could go to bullpen he could hang around for a while.

[Natsinpwc]

At the least, somebody will sign him to a minor league contract with a non-roster invite if he wants it. He's out of the big AAV contracts situation, but there's the backend innings eater role that could keep him around if he's mediocre. Of course, mediocre is an aspiration at the point for him.

Minor league deal. Yes.

[imref]

At the least, somebody will sign him to a minor league contract with a non-roster invite if he wants it. He's out of the big AAV contracts situation, but there's the backend innings eater role that could keep him around if he's mediocre. Of course, mediocre is an aspiration at the point for him.

i still think he gets a major league deal given how he's pitched the second half of the year. Plus his BaBiP is about 60 points higher than BA against, so you could argued he'd be better with a better defense behind him.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

i still think he gets a major league deal given how he's pitched the second half of the year. Plus his BaBiP is about 60 points higher than BA against, so you could argued he'd be better with a better defense behind him.

it's going to take a team to think it has him figured out and that he can be effective again. They are going to have to figure out if the BABIP is somehow earned and whether they know why he's suddenly effective. To me, that sounds like a minor league signing given the question marks. Maybe it is a ballsier team that signs him to a major league deal if they are not afraid to cut him and have a roster spot to spare.

[imref]

FWiW, 4.76 ERA in his last 15 starts, but one of those was the 10ER in 3 IP game.

Omit that, and it's 4.07

[IanRubbish]

FWiW, 4.76 ERA in his last 15 starts, but one of those was the 10ER in 3 IP game.

Omit that, and it's 4.07

If you do the same omission of bad starts with other pitchers their numbers are much lower. 

His K rate is low and dropping, and he's not an MLB starter.  He turns 36 next year and a minor league contract is most likely if he doesn't retire.

[IanRubbish]

A while back Charley and Dave talked about the changes he's made. I don't remember the particulars.

Watching yesterday it seemed like all his pitches were on the black. Rarely left it over the heart of the plate.

He was pitching against the team that's last in scoring in the NL...by nearly 60 runs.  His fastball barely averages 90 mph, his slider has well below avg velocity and he struggles to locate it, often throwing way low and inside to righties. 

Among the 62 starters who have enough IP to qualify, he's dead last in WAR and 53rd in K/9.  His hard hit rate is over 47%, also among the worst in the league.

Let's be real, this is not a major league starter in any way, and let's just be thankful his contract is up, because otherwise there'd be another year of this.

[Natsinpwc]

He was pitching against the team that's last in scoring in the NL...by nearly 60 runs.  His fastball barely averages 90 mph, his slider has well below avg velocity and he struggles to locate it, often throwing way low and inside to righties. 

Among the 62 starters who have enough IP to qualify, he's dead last in WAR and 53rd in K/9.  His hard hit rate is over 47%, also among the worst in the league.

Let's be real, this is not a major league starter in any way, and let's just be thankful his contract is up, because otherwise there'd be another year of this.

Other than that he has been great!

[JCA-CrystalCity]

He was pitching against the team that's last in scoring in the NL...by nearly 60 runs.  His fastball barely averages 90 mph, his slider has well below avg velocity and he struggles to locate it, often throwing way low and inside to righties. 

Among the 62 starters who have enough IP to qualify, he's dead last in WAR and 53rd in K/9.  His hard hit rate is over 47%, also among the worst in the league.

Let's be real, this is not a major league starter in any way, and let's just be thankful his contract is up, because otherwise there'd be another year of this.

2d half numbers are a lot better than 1st half except for worse BABIP. 16 K%-BB% is not bad, BB/9 under 3, K/9 of 9, FIP of 3.53. 50+% GBs mitigates the hard hit rate a bit. He's a junkballer now, but I'm thinking he gets at least a NRI.

[Senatorswin]

He was pitching against the team that's last in scoring in the NL...by nearly 60 runs.  His fastball barely averages 90 mph, his slider has well below avg velocity and he struggles to locate it, often throwing way low and inside to righties. 

Among the 62 starters who have enough IP to qualify, he's dead last in WAR and 53rd in K/9.  His hard hit rate is over 47%, also among the worst in the league.

Let's be real, this is not a major league starter in any way, and let's just be thankful his contract is up, because otherwise there'd be another year of this.

There's no way I think the Nats should sign him for next year and his worst starting pitcher stats are well known, but there's no question he's been pitching better lately. That's all.

His last 4 starts he's given up:

2 runs against Philadelphia
1 run against Colorado
0 runs against the Yankees
2 runs against the Marlins

So you can say he faced the Marlins but he also faced the Yankees and Phillies. Sometimes you don't have to look at the negative but give credit where it's due. Having said that he's been bad since 2019 other than the second half of this year so let him finish out the year and say goodbye.

[varoadking]

He blows...and he can't get outta here fast enough...

[varoadking]

If you do the same omission of bad starts with other pitchers their numbers are much lower. 

Funny how that works, huh... 

[imref]

today's start should be interesting. Seems he's overdue for a 4 IP, 8 ER game.