Patrick Corbin Consternation Thread

[NatsAllThe Way]

You mean the 2023 draft?

whenever it is.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Bump

[Slateman]

Really doesnt like that park

[NatsAllThe Way]

How many years left 😳 ?

[catocony]

Two more after this one.  $23.4 million in 2022, $24.4 million in 2023, $35.4 million in 2024.

[rileyn]

Is it possible he could be even worse than last year?  I will always be grateful for the 3 innings he threw in Game 7, so maybe he should be a long reliever.  Every 5th day, use an opener and then throw Corbin out there for the middle innings.

[catocony]

No team is going to spend $83 million for a middle reliever.

[Natsinpwc]

Hit ERA is only 10.80. What’s the issue?

[Smithian]

 

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Is it possible he could be even worse than last year?  I will always be grateful for the 3 innings he threw in Game 7, so maybe he should be a long reliever.  Every 5th day, use an opener and then throw Corbin out there for the middle innings.

At some point, the Nats have to deal with who he is and not how he's paid.  If you had Victor Arano go 2 innings, then bring in Corbin, with a hook ready for a stopper along with maybe Espino for innings, that might work.

I don't think Corbin is useless.  Even last year, he was good for long stretches of the season.  I'm not good enough to figure out what made good Corbin good and bad Corbin bad, but apparently Hickey and Blanco can't figure it out either.  Maybe a changed role lets you get something out of him.  however, if your goal is to try to get rid of the contract, he probably needs to be at least consistently average as a starter and capable of giving innings. 

[rileyn]

No team is going to spend $83 million for a middle reliever.

It's a sunk cost.  The money is spent.  No other team will take him off our hands so you have to maximize his value, even if that means utilizing him in a minimized role.

[Natsinpwc]

It's a sunk cost.  The money is spent.  No other team will take him off our hands so you have to maximize his value, even if that means utilizing him in a minimized role.

It's not like they have anyone to take his place in the rotation.  You could say Cavalli but he will take the place of someone else. 

[welch]

Was yesterday a "small step" for Corbin? I think I remember that he can pitch well for several innings and then loses it. Sometimes his good game-stretch starts in the first, sometimes he has been blown apart in the first but settles down for a few innings. Yesterday seemed like the Corbin I remember. Of course, Bob C & Kevin were into "small steps" for everybody during the Pittsburgh series)

[JCA-CrystalCity]

I still think the trick to getting Corbin to go 6 is to use him after an opener like Arano for the top of the order in the first.  Have Corbin's 6 innings be 2-7, with his 3rd time through the order starting with the bottom half of the line up.

[Elvir Ovcina]

I still think the trick to getting Corbin to go 6 is to use him after an opener like Arano for the top of the order in the first.  Have Corbin's 6 innings be 2-7, with his 3rd time through the order starting with the bottom half of the line up.

So having him go a different 5?

[JCA-CrystalCity]

So having him go a different 5?

well, I count 6 innings (7-1 = 6). Davey says the goal is to get 6 out of his starters.  I'm saying 6 out of the guy who follows an opener is probably easier.  Yesterday it certainly worked out that way, with the blow up in the 6th when he faced the top of the order the 3rd time instead of an easier stretch.  Wasn't hindsight, either.

[Ali the Baseball Cat]

Just save him for Game 7 WS appearances.

[Elvir Ovcina]

well, I count 6 innings (7-1 = 6). Davey says the goal is to get 6 out of his starters.  I'm saying 6 out of the guy who follows an opener is probably easier.  Yesterday it certainly worked out that way, with the blow up in the 6th when he faced the top of the order the 3rd time instead of an easier stretch.  Wasn't hindsight, either.

Is your theory that he's particularly susceptible to top-of-the-order hitter the third time through?  It could just be ANY major league hitters the third time through.

[nfotiu]

How many pitchers are really going past 5 innings any more?   Just accept he's a 4-5 inning guy, and build up some bullpen depth that can average 4-5 innings/game.

[Slateman]

Meh, Idont put much stock in his last start. Velo was still 92 and it was the Pirates and they sat Reynolds

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Is your theory that he's particularly susceptible to top-of-the-order hitter the third time through?  It could just be ANY major league hitters the third time through.

starting with the assumption that they want him to deal with some hitters a 3rd time, which is what Davey says when he says he wants Corbin to go 6, I'd think he'd have more of a fighting chance if he were facing ##5-9 than #1-4. 

[welch]

It struck me that yesterday Corbin's control went in his last inning. He seemed strong enough. It's always the walks, best I remember, that kill him.

[Natsinpwc]

It struck me that yesterday Corbin's control went in his last inning. He seemed strong enough. It's always the walks, best I remember, that kill him.

He's given up 17 hits and 8 walks in 12 innings.  So both seem to be a problem. His Ks are up a bit per 9 innings this year but of course it is all small sample size so far. 

[nfotiu]

It struck me that yesterday Corbin's control went in his last inning. He seemed strong enough. It's always the walks, best I remember, that kill him.

He's at his best when he's throwing balls that look like strikes for a long time.    When he catches too much plate, he's just way too hittable.   But you can beat him by not swinging and hitters have probably figured that out.  Combine that with losing a few ticks off his fastball and average pitching increasing in velocity and the game seems to be passing him by.

[welch]

He's at his best when he's throwing balls that look like strikes for a long time.    When he catches too much plate, he's just way too hittable.   But you can beat him by not swinging and hitters have probably figured that out.  Combine that with losing a few ticks off his fastball and average pitching increasing in velocity and the game seems to be passing him by.

That seems about right. What I meant by walks and control is that he starts to miss corners, gets behind, and then it he collapses. He will give up a walk or throw hitable strikes