Author Topic: Bryce Harper 2018 and beyond (Read 155690 times)

Slateman · « **Reply #1425 on:** July 18, 2018, 09:40:49 am »

Quote from: bluestreak on July 18, 2018, 09:37:30 am

Good thing, then. The Lerners have to pay that money, not you...

lol, one way or another, we, the fans, are paying.

CoryTheFormerExposFan · « **Reply #1426 on:** July 18, 2018, 12:41:48 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on July 18, 2018, 09:18:28 am

*Uh .... no, I'm not paying 25 million for Bryce Harper so he can re-establish his value.

Harper is a hot couple of weeks from "re-establishing" his value. He's 25 and his numbers just last year were MVP-like before he slipped on a wet bag.

CoryTheFormerExposFan · « **Reply #1427 on:** July 18, 2018, 12:43:03 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on July 18, 2018, 07:18:55 am

Harper also just trashed his knee and was coming of a miserable month of September and a poor showing in the postseason. I'd have been surprised if the Nationals could have gotten the equivalent of what Yelich got.

And honestly, none of the names mentioned in Machado rumors are top prospects.

Miserable September? He played like 3 games after coming off "trashing" his knee. WTF?

Baseball is Life · « **Reply #1428 on:** July 18, 2018, 12:59:35 pm »

I keep saying that he’s gonna be judged on his entire career not the last two months. Perhaps more importantly he’ll be judged on his potential going forward.

LoveAngelos · « **Reply #1429 on:** July 18, 2018, 03:45:04 pm »

What is the potential of a young player going forward who can not deal with breaking balls?

dracnal · « **Reply #1430 on:** July 18, 2018, 04:07:00 pm »

Quote from: LoveAngelos on July 18, 2018, 03:45:04 pm

What is the potential of a young player going forward who can not deal with breaking balls?

About the same as it's always been. AAAA. If you're talking about Harper though, I think this season is a lot like 2015. Something is off, either mentally or physically, and he's pressing hard trying to compensate. I think when he's relaxed, he does not have trouble with the curve.

Baseball is Life · « **Reply #1431 on:** July 18, 2018, 04:18:57 pm »

Quote from: LoveAngelos on July 18, 2018, 03:45:04 pm

What is the potential of a young player going forward who can not deal with breaking balls?

You don’t do what he’s done at the MLB level withoit hitting breaking balls.

Ray D · « **Reply #1432 on:** July 18, 2018, 04:19:53 pm »

Quote from: LoveAngelos on July 18, 2018, 03:45:04 pm

What is the potential of a young player going forward who can not deal with breaking balls?

He should stop going forward. That's probably why he can't hit the breaking ball.

CoryTheFormerExposFan · « **Reply #1433 on:** July 18, 2018, 04:23:46 pm »

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/24123226/mlb-how-crazy-for-nationals-consider-trading-bryce-harper

UMDNats · « **Reply #1434 on:** July 18, 2018, 04:32:37 pm »

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Eddie Matz: 100 percent looney-bins. If they trade Harper, it would seemingly torpedo whatever relationship they have with him and agent Scott Boras.

People who think like this are beyond help. Yeah, if we're 10 games out on July 28th and we trade Bryce, Boras will never work with us again!

bluestreak · « **Reply #1435 on:** July 18, 2018, 04:46:20 pm »

Quote from: UMDNats on July 18, 2018, 04:32:37 pm

People who think like this are beyond help. Yeah, if we're 10 games out on July 28th and we trade Bryce, Boras will never work with us again!

If you’re going on the assumption that the Nats want to re-sign Bryce, then yes, there is the potential that trading him torpedoes that relationship.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #1436 on:** July 18, 2018, 05:13:32 pm »

Quote from: UMDNats on July 18, 2018, 04:32:37 pm

People who think like this are beyond help. Yeah, if we're 10 games out on July 28th and we trade Bryce, Boras will never work with us again!

Yep, we’re one of a handful of teams that hands out the kind of mega contracts he demands, but he’ll forever cut us off if we trade a player at the deadline

Baseball is Life · « **Reply #1437 on:** July 18, 2018, 05:24:47 pm »

Quote from: CoryTheFormerExposFan on July 18, 2018, 04:23:46 pm

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/24123226/mlb-how-crazy-for-nationals-consider-trading-bryce-harper

Everybody in the article agrees that trading him would be crazy on so many levels and in just about any circumstance. Move along. Nothing to see here

Smithian · « **Reply #1438 on:** July 19, 2018, 03:16:24 am »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on July 18, 2018, 05:13:32 pm

Yep, we’re one of a handful of teams that hands out the kind of mega contracts he demands, but he’ll forever cut us off if we trade a player at the deadline

Boras will be pissed off until he remembers our ownership is loath to pay for anything, but will spend like drunken sailors on any Boras client. Sometimes that means Scherzer, sometimes that means Wieters or Rafael Soriano.

tzinc · « **Reply #1439 on:** July 19, 2018, 04:05:19 pm »

Harper is not a guaranteed thing watch how many teams shy away

also anyone find it disquieting how Harper was celebrating a HR derby win I mean it's the HR derby not a WS

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #1440 on:** July 19, 2018, 04:08:56 pm »

Quote from: tzinc on July 19, 2018, 04:05:19 pm

also anyone find it disquieting how Harper was celebrating a HR derby win I mean it's the HR derby not a WS

Not really, no.

dcpatti · « **Reply #1441 on:** July 19, 2018, 04:09:30 pm »

Quote from: tzinc on July 19, 2018, 04:05:19 pm

also anyone find it disquieting how Harper was celebrating a HR derby win I mean it's the HR derby not a WS

Are you kidding? that home run derby was completely awesome and so much fun, and the energy in the stadium was off the hook. Just because it's not a world series win doesn't make it any less worthy of a big celebration. No one is guaranteed any win or any trophy at all, so when you get them, celebrate like a 6-year-old full of sugar and caffeine.

Ray D · « **Reply #1442 on:** July 19, 2018, 04:54:03 pm »

Quote from: dcpatti on July 19, 2018, 04:09:30 pm

Just because it's not a world series win doesn't make it any less worthy of a big celebration.

Are you serious? A home run derby win is as worthy of celebration as a world series win?

bluestreak · « **Reply #1443 on:** July 19, 2018, 04:59:36 pm »

Quote from: Ray D on July 19, 2018, 04:54:03 pm

Are you serious? A home run derby win is as worthy of celebration as a world series win?

I think this is my major issue with this board. The attitude among many folks here is that you really can't be happy about anything other than a World Series win. I may be putting words in her mouth, but she didn't say that it was "as worthy of a celebration as a World Series win." She said it was worthy of a celebration.

If somebody can't be happy with anything less than reaching the pinnacle of their sport, then that makes for a pretty miserable existence. I mean that for fans and players.

Of course it's not as exciting or important as winning the World Series, but it certainly is worthy of some celebration. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

dcpatti · « **Reply #1444 on:** July 19, 2018, 05:13:45 pm »

Quote from: Ray D on July 19, 2018, 04:54:03 pm

Are you serious? A home run derby win is as worthy of celebration as a world series win?

Of course it is. A World Series win is obviously a much greater accomplishment, but that doesn't mean you have to politely golf clap and tone it down for everything else. We got to see an awesome display of athleticism by 8 of the greatest players in the game today, capped off by our hometown guy hitting over three miles of bombs in front of a sold-out crowd on its feet and there is not a damned thing wrong with celebrating and making a big deal over that. Jump around. Make some noise. Yell and enjoy it.

Quote from: bluestreak on July 19, 2018, 04:59:36 pm

If somebody can't be happy with anything less than reaching the pinnacle of their sport, then that makes for a pretty miserable existence. I mean that for fans and players.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #1445 on:** July 19, 2018, 05:41:42 pm »

Quote from: Ray D on July 19, 2018, 04:54:03 pm

Are you serious? A home run derby win is as worthy of celebration as a world series win?

Too bad Cole Hamels isn’t still around to show him the right way to play the game. He won a competition, why not celebrate it?

Ray D · « **Reply #1446 on:** July 19, 2018, 06:09:29 pm »

Quote from: bluestreak on July 19, 2018, 04:59:36 pm

I think this is my major issue with this board. The attitude among many folks here is that you really can't be happy about anything other than a World Series win.

I hope I didn't give the impression that I'm in that category because I'm about as far removed from that attitude as anyone. I didn't watch any of the homerun contest but I do understand that lots of people enjoyed it enormously and that it was alot of fun being there. I'm happy for them. I mean my daughter, son-in-law, and son were all texting me and they weren't even there. So I get it. Still, it's a glorified batting practice contest, nothing more. That's how I see it and I just can't get excited about it. Celebrating it as enthusiastically as a World Series win (and really, she did essentially say that) is just something I can't relate to.

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #1447 on:** July 19, 2018, 07:00:21 pm »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on July 19, 2018, 05:41:42 pm

Too bad Cole Hamels isn’t still around to show him the right way to play the game. He won a competition, why not celebrate it?

He will be on tne bench with Bryce in a few weeks.

He can show him the World Series ring and MVP award!!

dracnal · « **Reply #1448 on:** July 20, 2018, 10:17:54 am »

Quote from: Ray D on July 19, 2018, 06:09:29 pm

I hope I didn't give the impression that I'm in that category because I'm about as far removed from that attitude as anyone.

Celebrating it as enthusiastically as a World Series win (and really, she did essentially say that) is just something I can't relate to.

I think this is where the disconnect is for you and dcpatti. I believe she feels it is equally valid to celebrate the Derby - but she does not feel it gets the same level of celebration as the World Series. If people were climbing lightpoles because Harper won the Derby, that'd be over the top and ridiculous.

But they celebrated by cheering and dancing for an hour and then just smiled a whole lot the next day. That seems like an appropriate level of celebration for the best possible outcome to a fan service spectacle. I don't think anyone is saying that the Derby was significant or worth bragging rights, a parade, etc. It was just a fun one off.

Essentially, you don't care for the Derby, so it didn't get you excited, but the level of celebration was pretty much the same as you get with a come from behind walk off win or a complete game shut out. Fun for the night, makes you feel good the next day, then it's back to the grind.

aBaltoNat · « **Reply #1449 on:** July 20, 2018, 10:38:25 am »

Calling it now...he signs a 1 yr $30M extension.

Will try to recoup some value on the market for the following year and even if he doesn't, he knows we'll give him another $30M the following year.