Offseason moves?

[zimm_da_kid]

There is a poster here who had inside info which turned out to be correct. It was last year I think. Anyway, he'll tell us what to do. 

Where is InsaneBoost these days

[Mr Clean]

Where is InsaneBoost these days

That's the one. I don't remember which transaction he knew about. Anyone?

[zimm_da_kid]

That's the one. I don't remember which transaction he knew about. Anyone?

I know he claimed to have a reliable source that said the Nats were going hard after Pujols

[Vega]

Insane Boost was 2011. He spouted much bullcrap and then disappeared.

[Terpfan76]

Insane Boost was 2011. He spouted much bullcrap and then disappeared.

And when they found out, they said "this is good"

[sportsfan882]

Ohlendorf better be non-tendered today.

[WhiteWhale]

who are they other non tender candidates?

post edit - I looked it up, Ohlie would be the only one

[NJ Ave]

Why not make Desmond available? We're not going to have the money to pay EVERYONE on this roster. So if Rizzo thinks that Strasburg, Zimmermann and Harper are the 7-10 year guys then everyone else should be available.

I can't say I'd be surprised if they reached out to Cleveland and said hey, what do you think about Lindor, Cody Allen and Masterson for Desmond?

It's also a sign to Desmond - hey, you're a great player but respectfully we gotta float your name if you're not going to sign a long-term deal.

[Kevrock]

I thought inside boast got banned. He was full of it.

[sph274]

Why not make Desmond available? We're not going to have the money to pay EVERYONE on this roster. So if Rizzo thinks that Strasburg, Zimmermann and Harper are the 7-10 year guys then everyone else should be available.

I can't say I'd be surprised if they reached out to Cleveland and said hey, what do you think about Lindor, Cody Allen and Masterson for Desmond?

It's also a sign to Desmond - hey, you're a great player but respectfully we gotta float your name if you're not going to sign a long-term deal.

why would they give all that up when they have asdrubal cabrera entering his age 28 season? not gonna happen

[Vega]

I can't say I'd be surprised if they reached out to Cleveland and said hey, what do you think about Lindor, Cody Allen and Masterson for Desmond?

[PebbleBall]

Don't jump to conclusions, Rizzo could throw in Strasburg and/or Harper.

[NJ Ave]

Home fans are hysterical. What do you think Rizzo would get for 2 years and probably $15 million in excess value of Ian Desmond?

Hell, why stop at a top-10 list SS prospect in double-A; a RP with 5 years of team control who had a 2.43 ERA and 88 Ks in 70 innings last season and a career 1.74 minior league ERA; and the last year of arbitration for a pitcher they'll be able to get a 1st draft pick for after the season is over, who was basically as good as Jordan Zimmerman, Strasburg, or Gio Gonzalez last year?

[WhiteWhale]

I don't want it to happen, because I'd like for the Lerners to pay to keep this whole thing together, but to me NJ knows his baseball, and I think he has laid out a fair swap. With Desi's silver sluggers and golden glove nomination, the media slurp fest is about to start, so certainly the name recoginition is skewed, but there is a ton of value in what he laid out coming back in that potential trade.

[Lintyfresh85]

Home fans are hysterical. What do you think Rizzo would get for 2 years and probably $15 million in excess value of Ian Desmond?

Hell, why stop at a top-10 list SS prospect in double-A; a RP with 5 years of team control who had a 2.43 ERA and 88 Ks in 70 innings last season and a career 1.74 minior league ERA; and the last year of arbitration for a pitcher they'll be able to get a 1st draft pick for after the season is over, who was basically as good as Jordan Zimmerman, Strasburg, or Gio Gonzalez last year?

I think they're laughing because they know Cleveland would hang up before Rizzo even finished his pitch. And thus, that is the problem with "home fans"... they severely overvalue their own players and undervalue just how much value they're asking for in return in what they think are "fair" trades.

[blue911]

I think they're laughing because they know Cleveland would hang up before Rizzo even finished his pitch. And thus, that is the problem with "home fans"... they severely overvalue their own players and undervalue just how much value they're asking for in return in what they think are "fair" trades.

I think Lindor is untouchable.

[HalfSmokes]

I think they're laughing because they know Cleveland would hang up before Rizzo even finished his pitch. And thus, that is the problem with "home fans"... they severely overvalue their own players and undervalue just how much value they're asking for in return in what they think are "fair" trades.

so two years of desmond isn't worth one of the top ss prospects in baseball plus pitchers?

[WhiteWhale]

I think they're laughing because ...

This is why I dislike emoticon only responses. Linty and others have to guess at what someone thinks about another person's post. whether the laugh was at way too little value, or the opposite.

if we are going to discuss, then dicuss. - commence with eye rolling emoticons only.

[Lintyfresh85]

so two years of desmond isn't worth one of the top ss prospects in baseball plus pitchers?

+ Masterson? Not a chance

[NJ Ave]

I think they're laughing because they know Cleveland would hang up before Rizzo even finished his pitch. And thus, that is the problem with "home fans"... they severely overvalue their own players and undervalue just how much value they're asking for in return in what they think are "fair" trades.

That's interesting. The Strasburg/Harper comment leads me to believe you're wrong, that at least some people think the ridiculous side is Washington being willing to give up Desmond for that.

[Lintyfresh85]

That's interesting. The Strasburg/Harper comment leads me to believe you're wrong, that at least some people think the ridiculous side is Washington being willing to give up Desmond for that.

Well, they probably should start to get used to the fact that no team is going to give up their ace + best prospect for Desmond.

[HalfSmokes]

That's interesting. The Strasburg/Harper comment leads me to believe you're wrong, that at least some people think the ridiculous side is Washington being willing to give up Desmond for that.

I actually think it's ridiculous for both sides- the nationals should be in win now mode before Zimmerman and Werth get older, and Harper, Stras, Zimmermann and Desmond leave. You'd have to hope lindor could step in immediately and have zero learning curve. From the indians point of view, I don't think they necessarily have the same urgency to win now and it's doubtful that they could extend Desmond, so a top prospect for two years of a short stop when they aren't built to win now 

[sph274]

they have asdrubal cabrera wy would they be looking to trade to fill a nonexistent hole? he had a down year last year but is still a good, potentially great, ss. the trade makes no sense for the indians

edit: cabrera hits FA the same time as desmond, is that good for us or bad? the yankees are gonna all out on one of them

[madj55]

We'd have to give up more than Desmond to recieve that haul.

[NJ Ave]

+ Masterson? Not a chance

Masterson is what he is - a good but expensive pitcher with a year left before Cleveland has to let him go. You could be right that they'd overvalue him with the extra draft pick that will be attached to him.

But portraying this as crazy is ridiculous.

David Price and Ian Desmond both have two years of team control remaining. David Price has been worth 9.2 WAR over the previous two seasons, while Desmond has been worth 10. Price has a Cy Young but also "possible arm trouble?" i.e. threw slower last year.

David Price's baseline has been "more than Jurickson Profar" all offseason. It's not at all crazy to think that Washington will ask for a similar package for Desmond.