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« Reply #1450 on: November 23, 2013, 02:20:11 pm »
Ladson interviewed Rizzo:

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/was/a-conversation-with-washington-nationals-general-manager-mike-rizzo

Highlights:
- we're better/deeper than we were a year ago but need LHR
- says Souza, Ray, Solis and Cole could all make it to D.C. next year, also lauded Skole and Taylor
- on extensions for JZ and Desmond: "We certainly have an interest in getting it done, but I don't know if we'll get it done before Spring Training. We've made overtures and we haven't had a deal done yet. That is as far as I can go with that."
- Couldn't really comment on the Harper contract except to say he wasn't surprised
- wouldn't commit to Rendon being the 2B next year but said he'd be on the club
- biggest failure last year was the bench.


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« Reply #1451 on: November 23, 2013, 02:29:24 pm »
Who cares? It's just money.

You and I are on the same wavelength man, lol.

Span is good enough, and his hitting improved through the season. Fielding? I've seen few better, and I remember CFs back to Jim Busby. Essence of Span's fielding: I don't remember many acrobatic plays, and he made no errors, suggesting Span was in the right place nearly every time.

No reason to "fix" CF or 2B, since neither position is broken.

I do agree welch as neither position needs to be "fixed", but CF could be upgraded.  Span is a complimentary player.  His skills are probably best suited to bat 7th or 8th on a contending team.  He does have outstanding defense in CF and has played the best CF since the team moved to DC.  He is a good player, but his mediocre OBP and mediocre baserunning acumen don't make him a valuable leadoff hitter.  Yes, he got better as the year went on, but he still doesn't profile as a leadoff hitter.

If the Nats keep him as the everyday CF, I doubt that it will cost them another season, but I think adding Ellsbury would add another dimension to the offense entirely.  Ellsbury is a true leadoff guy and will be for at least three more years.  Yes, the length of the contract is an issue and I'm not keen on losing a 1st round pick, but I think Ellsbury puts the offense over the top just like Matt Carpenter did for the Cardinals.  I'm also not saying that Ellsbury guarantees a WS victory either, as it is entirely a team effort with luck sprinkled in here and there.

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #1452 on: November 23, 2013, 07:46:12 pm »
Blue - Span's career OBP is propped up by his first two years in the majors  (.387  & .392).  since then, his peak was .342 in 2012.  Both have had health problems, which makes them even more comparable, but Span's peak offense does not approach Ellsbury's and Elllsbury is coming off a healthy quality year. 

Plainly, he's not worth the 6 years and $100MM+ contract that's being discussed, and the Nats have a good player on a great contract in CF, so I don't think signing Elllsbury makes sense.  Play Hairston in CF or a corner against tough lefties if you want to goose the outfield offense.

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« Reply #1453 on: November 23, 2013, 09:15:43 pm »
Blue - Span's career OBP is propped up by his first two years in the majors  (.387  & .392).  since then, his peak was .342 in 2012.  Both have had health problems, which makes them even more comparable, but Span's peak offense does not approach Ellsbury's and Elllsbury is coming off a healthy quality year. 

Plainly, he's not worth the 6 years and $100MM+ contract that's being discussed, and the Nats have a good player on a great contract in CF, so I don't think signing Elllsbury makes sense.  Play Hairston in CF or a corner against tough lefties if you want to goose the outfield offense.
Watching Hairston and his noodle arm is bad enough in LF, I never wanna see him in CF.

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« Reply #1454 on: November 24, 2013, 02:42:42 am »
Blue - Span's career OBP is propped up by his first two years in the majors  (.387  & .392).  since then, his peak was .342 in 2012.  Both have had health problems, which makes them even more comparable, but Span's peak offense does not approach Ellsbury's and Elllsbury is coming off a healthy quality year. 

Plainly, he's not worth the 6 years and $100MM+ contract that's being discussed, and the Nats have a good player on a great contract in CF, so I don't think signing Elllsbury makes sense.  Play Hairston in CF or a corner against tough lefties if you want to goose the outfield offense.

I would tend to agree that Ellsbury won't be worth the deal, but until a market develops for him, he doesn't have that deal.  As I said, Denard is a quality, complimentary player.  Ellsbury is a sure shot lead off guy and would help change the Nats offense in a way that works with what it sounds like Matt Williams would want. That doesn't mean that I advocate signing him, but if the Nats did I wouldn't complain.  It's not my money and he easily upgrades the team.

My biggest disappointments of the offseason would be not getting a quality lefty like Boone Logan and signing someone like Garza, Nolasco, Santana or Ubaldo.  I think every one of them are going to way overpaid in years and dollars to eventually either get injured or pitch like number 5s.  I feel the rotation could use a solid upgrade, but I feel that it needs to come through trade or a lofty promotion of a guy like A.J. cole and I don't see him ready yet.

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« Reply #1455 on: November 25, 2013, 01:24:52 pm »
I'm not sure i've ever ready anything dumber.

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Seven Blockbuster MLB Trades That Should Happen

https://www.numberfire.com/mlb/news/1432/seven-blockbuster-mlb-trades-that-should-happen

Nationals Receive: OF Mike Trout

Angels Receive: SP Stephen Strasburg, SP Jordan Zimmermann, and CF Denard Span

Why it works for the Angels: Mike Trout is considered untradable, so why not try to construct a trade involving Trout that could make sense for the Angels? The Angels’ rotation behind Jered Weaver and C.J. Wilson is very weak and this trade would instantly transform their rotation from one of the worst in baseball to one of the best in baseball.

Offensively, the Angels will survive as Albert Pujols and Josh Hamilton are unlikely to repeat their poor 2013 seasons, and when combined with Mark Trumbo, Howie Kendrick, Denard Span and Erick Aybar the Angels should still be able to score plenty of runs.

Why it works for the Nationals: Having Bryce Harper and Mike Trout in the same outfield is a general manager’s dream come true and could be worth the price of Stephen Strasburg and Jordan Zimmermann, the Nat’s two best starters. Gio Gonzalez would take over as the staff ace, with Ross Detwiler and Taylor Jordan also occupying rotation slots.

This leaves two spots to be covered with by free agent pitchers or through subsequent trades, and though free agent pitching is not cheap the Nationals do have reasonable options. Bringing back Dan Haren and signing Bartolo Colon or Scott Feldman would be among the best of those options, as these pitchers are effective and will not require copious amounts of money to sign. This move would certainly weaken the rotation, but an outfield of Harper, Trout, and Jayson Werth would be the best in the game.

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #1456 on: November 25, 2013, 01:25:23 pm »
I would do that in a heartbeat

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« Reply #1457 on: November 25, 2013, 01:28:58 pm »
I'm not sure i've ever ready anything dumber.

So the solution to having three good starting outfielders is to have only one reliable starting pitcher? Got it.

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« Reply #1458 on: November 25, 2013, 01:29:00 pm »
I would do that in a heartbeat

OK, maybe it's not so dumb, especially if we could sign Garza and another decent FA pitcher.

2013 WAR:
Span: 2.4 (offensive)
Strasburg: 3.1
Zimmermann: 3.7
Total: 9.2

Trout: 9.2

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« Reply #1459 on: November 25, 2013, 01:42:15 pm »
OK, maybe it's not so dumb, especially if we could sign Garza and another decent FA pitcher.

2013 WAR:
Span: 2.4 (offensive)
Strasburg: 3.1
Zimmermann: 3.7
Total: 9.2

Trout: 9.2

Trout was over ten on Fangraphs

Honestly, I think Jordan Zimmerman is overrated. He's getting by on poor contact, so all it takes is one season where it isn't quite all there and he's a 4+ ERA pitcher.

I don't think Strasburg will sign long term here. Just his general attitude in the dugout and the way he was shut down combined with him getting one shot at big contract. I think he goes to the highest bidder.

Span . . . meh.

So yea, Trout and Harper in the same lineup would be awesome. In two or three years, we'll have Cole, Little Gio, and some other depth at the big league level. And for now, we can take the money saved and sign someone like Garza. Or we could even trade for another pitcher with the depth we've built up.

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« Reply #1460 on: November 25, 2013, 01:42:38 pm »
LOL

I want me some of that ganja weed being smoked around here ...

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« Reply #1461 on: November 25, 2013, 01:43:24 pm »
we can take the money saved and sign someone like Garza.

Garza is pretty meh. I think any decent pitchers would have to come in by trade.

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« Reply #1462 on: November 25, 2013, 01:47:52 pm »
I'm not sure i've ever ready anything dumber.


Flashback to the days when fans of other teams viewed the Nats roster as a pantry to be raided as they wished.

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #1463 on: November 25, 2013, 02:46:45 pm »
Fernando Abad to Oakland for John Wooten according to Twitter.

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« Reply #1464 on: November 25, 2013, 02:55:53 pm »
long shot power prospect but I'll still take him over Abad any day.

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #1465 on: November 25, 2013, 02:58:01 pm »
guy who should never have made the roster for a guy who never will- meh

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« Reply #1466 on: November 25, 2013, 03:21:30 pm »
Fernando Abad to Oakland for John Wooten according to Twitter.

who? I thought we released Abad.

update:  http://www.baseballamerica.com/statistics/players/cards/89561

22 years old, hit .253 /.333 /.430 with 20HRs in Low-A

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« Reply #1467 on: November 25, 2013, 03:25:39 pm »
who? I thought we released Abad.

So did I but apparently not. Maybe Rizzo tricked Oakland.

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« Reply #1468 on: November 25, 2013, 03:28:00 pm »
who? I thought we released Abad.

update:  http://www.baseballamerica.com/statistics/players/cards/89561

22 years old, hit .253 /.333 /.430 with 20HRs in Low-A

He was DFA'd. Same old 7-10 day rule crap

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« Reply #1469 on: November 25, 2013, 04:03:44 pm »
LOL

I want me some of that ganja weed being smoked around here ...
I'm with you on this one. Trading Strasburg hurts the club. Gio isn't an ace. I don't care about losing Zimmermann and Span though, they're expendable.

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« Reply #1470 on: November 25, 2013, 05:59:38 pm »
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The Nationals announced that southpaw Tyler Robertson, who was designated for assignment last week, has cleared waivers and been outrighted to Triple-A Syracuse. The soon-to-be 26-year-old began the 2013 campaign with the Twins but was claimed off waivers by the Nationals in June. Robertson posted a strong 3.04 ERA with 8.4 K/9 and 4.6 BB/9 in 47 1/3 Triple-A innings. He yielded a .296/.376/.407 batting line, however, and has yielded a .273/.415/.455 batting line to opposing right-handers in his brief time as a Major Leaguer.

I was never sure why he was added to the 40-man roster last season.  It couldn't have been raw nepotism, could it?

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« Reply #1471 on: November 25, 2013, 06:18:46 pm »
I was never sure why he was added to the 40-man roster last season.  It couldn't have been raw nepotism, could it?

He was claimed off waivers

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #1472 on: November 25, 2013, 08:19:32 pm »
.296 /.376 /.407 ! We've found our leadoff hitter! 


Oh, wait.  That's what he gave up as a pitcher.

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« Reply #1473 on: November 25, 2013, 09:33:39 pm »
He was claimed off waivers

And?  We had to take players off the 40-man last season (Maya, for example) but he stayed on the 40-man.   There was no reason for that.

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« Reply #1474 on: November 25, 2013, 09:54:36 pm »
There's no reason for you to even care about this nondescript transaction.