Juan Soto, Yankee

[SkinsNatFan21RIP]

The story when Harper left was that Harper turned down a big offer to get a bit more money elsewhere. It wasnt until much later that it was reported how terrible the offer was, and that Harper sent Boras back multiple times to try and get a deal with much less deferred money. But the damage was done and the story that he loafed it and ran for a bag of cash has remained.

Soto won't get booed if he signs with the Mets. Scherzer didnt. Fans still cheer Turner and Schwarber. They boo Harper over some silly perceived notion of being slighted and after watching everyone else boo him for being the heel.  They watched everyone else do it so they assumed they were supposed to as well.

Its hard to be mad at Bryce although I was at first. He tried his darndest to get the Lerner's to sign him and their offers got worse and worse. In retrospect the fans booing him was pretty silly. He would've stayed if the Lerner's made him a competitive offer.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Its hard to be mad at Bryce although I was at first. He tried his darndest to get the Lerner's to sign him and their offers got worse and worse. In retrospect the fans booing him was pretty silly. He would've stayed if the Lerner's made him a competitive offer.

i don't boo him. I don't react to him.

[SkinsNatFan21RIP]

i don't boo him. I don't react to him.

For the most part I'm indifferent. I wish he would've stayed but he didn't and that's life. I just see a division rival now. Almost like he was never here.

[English Natsie]

We appear to be still in with a shout...

https://www.mlb.com/news/juan-soto-free-agency-discussion

[varoadking]

We appear to be still in with a shout...

https://www.mlb.com/news/juan-soto-free-agency-discussion

I personally don't see it happening...but, who knows...

"Langs: The Nationals have done a fabulous job rebuilding..."

More than a just wee bit hyperbolic...

[imref]

We appear to be still in with a shout...

https://www.mlb.com/news/juan-soto-free-agency-discussion

it's all speculation. there's nothing confirming that Lerner is willing to open the checkbook to bring back Soto. I did find it interesting that Feinsand thinks Soto will want an opt-out after four years, so 4/$200 to $240 million to sign him. So basically his contract potentially expiring around the time Woods and Crews are up for arbitration.

[nfotiu]

it's all speculation. there's nothing confirming that Lerner is willing to open the checkbook to bring back Soto. I did find it interesting that Feinsand thinks Soto will want an opt-out after four years, so 4/$200 to $240 million to sign him. So basically his contract potentially expiring around the time Woods and Crews are up for arbitration.

I can't get behind the idea that a player option is actually a good thing for the team.   It puts all the risk on the team and all the reward with the player.

If the Lerners were willing to build up to a luxury tax cap team, I don't think a 500 million contract with 4 year opt out to Soto is a good contract for the team.   We're just all being clouded by emotional attachment to Soto here.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

I can't get behind the idea that a player option is actually a good thing for the team.   It puts all the risk on the team and all the reward with the player.

If the Lerners were willing to build up to a luxury tax cap team, I don't think a 500 million contract with 4 year opt out to Soto is a good contract for the team.   We're just all being clouded by emotional attachment to Soto here.

Actually, it is a way to control costs if you structure it so that the player is likely to opt out.  For example, pay Soto $55 million a year for 4 years, then have the contract drop down to $20 million per year over the next 10. That's a $420 million guarantee for the player if he turns into Anthony Rendon, but it would be extremely likely he'd opt out if he has anything left at all.

[nfotiu]

Actually, it is a way to control costs if you structure it so that the player is likely to opt out.  For example, pay Soto $55 million a year for 4 years, then have the contract drop down to $20 million per year over the next 10. That's a $420 million guarantee for the player if he turns into Anthony Rendon, but it would be extremely likely he'd opt out if he has anything left at all.

There must be limits on how much of that is allowed, aren't there?   It seems like pretty good cap circumvention too, if it AAV is 30 million but they intend to pay him $55/year.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

There must be limits on how much of that is allowed, aren't there?   It seems like pretty good cap circumvention too, if it AAV is 30 million but they intend to pay him $55/year.

I don't know if there's a rule on options expected to be exercised and how that figures into the AAV.

[Slateman]

I can't get behind the idea that a player option is actually a good thing for the team.   It puts all the risk on the team and all the reward with the player.

If the Lerners were willing to build up to a luxury tax cap team, I don't think a 500 million contract with 4 year opt out to Soto is a good contract for the team.   We're just all being clouded by emotional attachment to Soto here.

Getting you the player is the reward.

[imref]

The #Nationals would love a reunion, according to people with knowledge of the situation, but it would take ownership allocating more money for Soto than they were previously willing to offer."

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/41193837/2024-mlb-playoffs-juan-soto-new-york-yankees-free-agent-future-october-postseason

[Natsinpwc]

He's enjoying a pennant race and will enjoy the post season.  The Nats would have to far outbid the Yankees to get him as a non contender.  It really makes no sense for him or the Nats or Soto. 

[JCA-CrystalCity]

He's enjoying a pennant race and will enjoy the post season.  The Nats would have to far outbid the Yankees to get him as a non contender.  It really makes no sense for him or the Nats or Soto. 

I don't know about that. Some of it may be comfort. Some of it may be ego and wanting to be the man on an ascendant team. Barring a hard line on the money at a level that's well below the CBT threshold, the Nats should be in a position where, if he lands here and there's a "Scherzer-like" lead dog on the rotation, they can contend for multiple years. Some guys enjoy the sort of challenge Werth took on.

[imref]

He's enjoying a pennant race and will enjoy the post season.  The Nats would have to far outbid the Yankees to get him as a non contender.  It really makes no sense for him or the Nats or Soto. 

the article seems to paint a picture that Soto will end up back with the Yankees.

[HalfSmokes]

I don't know about that. Some of it may be comfort. Some of it may be ego and wanting to be the man on an ascendant team. Barring a hard line on the money at a level that's well below the CBT threshold, the Nats should be in a position where, if he lands here and there's a "Scherzer-like" lead dog on the rotation, they can contend for multiple years. Some guys enjoy the sort of challenge Werth took on.

Werth liked being paid far more than any other team offered. I don't see the Nats ever winning a bidding war over a current Yankee