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« Reply #300: August 29, 2024, 12:15:24 AM »
But the damage was done and the story that he loafed it...has remained.

Because it's true...

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« Reply #301: August 29, 2024, 07:04:32 AM »
The story when Harper left was that Harper turned down a big offer to get a bit more money elsewhere. It wasnt until much later that it was reported how terrible the offer was, and that Harper sent Boras back multiple times to try and get a deal with much less deferred money. But the damage was done and the story that he loafed it and ran for a bag of cash has remained.

Soto won't get booed if he signs with the Mets. Scherzer didnt. Fans still cheer Turner and Schwarber. They boo Harper over some silly perceived notion of being slighted and after watching everyone else boo him for being the heel.  They watched everyone else do it so they assumed they were supposed to as well.

Bryce did the bullsheet move in his first game back to DC, when he did a bat toss/glare into our dugout, and then on his way out to RF he stopped and did that dramatic bow to the Phillie fans in the bleachers.  That was all I needed to see from him.  Booooooooooooooooooo!

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« Reply #302: August 29, 2024, 08:16:16 AM »
Because it's true...
135 wRC+ is loafing? God, could we please get more loafers on the Nationals. And I don't fault a dude who played through injuries in previous seasons not risking getting hurt. No, this is idiot fans misconceptions and lack of knowing ball.

Bryce did the bullsheet move in his first game back to DC, when he did a bat toss/glare into our dugout, and then on his way out to RF he stopped and did that dramatic bow to the Phillie fans in the bleachers.  That was all I needed to see from him.  Booooooooooooooooooo!

Oh no, opposing team player acknoweldges his current team's fan in his opponent's park. The horror!!

Y'all made Bryce up to be some big baddie, just like everyone did when he was here in DC. It's so silly. He is the only big time player that has offered the Nats anything resembling a hometown discount and y'all act like he ran away at the first chance.

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« Reply #303: August 29, 2024, 08:24:02 AM »
135 wRC+ is loafing? God, could we please get more loafers on the Nationals. And I don't fault a dude who played through injuries in previous seasons not risking getting hurt. No, this is idiot fans misconceptions and lack of knowing ball.

Oh no, opposing team player acknoweldges his current team's fan in his opponent's park. The horror!!

Y'all made Bryce up to be some big baddie, just like everyone did when he was here in DC. It's so silly. He is the only big time player that has offered the Nats anything resembling a hometown discount and y'all act like he ran away at the first chance.
Oh please, even a contrarian like you knows he was 100% rubbing it in to the Nats. 

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« Reply #304: August 29, 2024, 08:47:57 AM »
135 wRC+ is loafing? God, could we please get more loafers on the Nationals. And I don't fault a dude who played through injuries in previous seasons not risking getting hurt. No, this is idiot fans misconceptions and lack of knowing ball.

You are like the little kid that has his fingers in his ears repeating NANANANANANANANANA...

I said in the field and you want to bring up wRC+.  Of course Royce was gonna hit...my god...the 2018 HRD was his crowning achievement.  He didn't break a sweat in the outfield the entire season.  If he was afraid of getting hurt, he should have just sat on the pine instead of hurting the TEAM.  He was a selfish jerk.  It's too bad the NL didn't have the DH in 2018.  RIF, dude...

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« Reply #305: August 29, 2024, 09:47:16 AM »
Harper comes across as more arrogant than Soto. Soto is only cocky when he's hitting, but the stares and the Soto shuffle aren't so out of step among dominant hitters and are more to get into the head of the pitcher. Also, that wRC+ in 2018 came with a .249 BA, which was a huge drop off from 2015 and 2017. Going from a 29 HR guy in 2017 with a 1.000+ OPS to a 34 homer guy with <.900 OPS felt like he was selling out for homers in a contract drive. Couple that with the off-year defensively, it's not surprising folks feel he dogged it in a 3.2 fWAR year.

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« Reply #306: August 29, 2024, 09:48:24 AM »
Harper left on free agency for a rival. Soto was traded. That’s the difference in fan reaction. 

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« Reply #307: August 29, 2024, 10:46:12 AM »
You are like the little kid that has his fingers in his ears repeating NANANANANANANANANA...

I said in the field and you want to bring up wRC+.  Of course Royce was gonna hit...my god...the 2018 HRD was his crowning achievement.  He didn't break a sweat in the outfield the entire season.  If he was afraid of getting hurt, he should have just sat on the pine instead of hurting the TEAM.  He was a selfish jerk.  It's too bad the NL didn't have the DH in 2018.  RIF, dude...
Yea, weird how he wanted to  protect himself after nearly ripping his knee apart the year before. Lol hurt the team? Okay man. If his bad fielding hurt the team, then so did Soto's.

Harper left on free agency for a rival. Soto was traded. That’s the difference in fan reaction. 
Turner and Scherzer both signed with divisional rivals as free agents. No boos.

Nats fans wanted someone to hate in the division because they percieved that that was what fan bases are supposed to do. Bryce Harper was the only one who fit the bill so it was easy enough. Kind of laughable in retrospect. He's happier there and we won a WS.

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« Reply #308: August 29, 2024, 10:57:16 AM »
The last Harper year was miserable. Team success contributed to that mood.

Soto was a championship. Harper was the kind of a late inning, down by 5 home run in a playoff game.

I used to dislike Harper. His willingness to laugh at himself during our World Series run thawed my heart. I would give him a golf clap if I was a Nats game and his name was announced.

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« Reply #309: August 29, 2024, 11:03:52 AM »
Yea, weird how he wanted to  protect himself after nearly ripping his knee apart the year before. Lol hurt the team? Okay man. If his bad fielding hurt the team, then so did Soto's.
Turner and Scherzer both signed with divisional rivals as free agents. No boos.

Nats fans wanted someone to hate in the division because they percieved that that was what fan bases are supposed to do. Bryce Harper was the only one who fit the bill so it was easy enough. Kind of laughable in retrospect. He's happier there and we won a WS.

Soto didn't quit on his team...and neither did Turner or Scherzer...

He's not alone...I'm happier he's there too...

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« Reply #310: August 29, 2024, 11:12:59 AM »
Soto didn't quit on his team...and neither did Turner or Scherzer...

He's not alone...I'm happier he's there too...
Lol, Turner had his worst season at the plate. Strasburg and Gio both missed over a month. Adam Eaton dogged it in the field. Michael A could hit water if he fell off an aircraft carrier. Mike Rizzo tried selling at the deadline.

Nope, all Harper's fault :roll:

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« Reply #311: August 29, 2024, 11:28:13 AM »
Lol, Turner had his worst season at the plate. Strasburg and Gio both missed over a month. Adam Eaton dogged it in the field. Michael A could hit water if he fell off an aircraft carrier. Mike Rizzo tried selling at the deadline.

Nope, all Harper's fault :roll:
It's perceptions, not data, that's a good chunk of the reason why Harper is going to get booed and Soto, Turner, and Scherzer (and Rendon) aren't. Harper's last year was off relative to 2015 & 2017, he is very straightforward with his cockiness and emotions (where's my ring, the vegas knights shirt, the ESPN mag photoshoot, etc...), and there's no question in 2018 he was going for glory (walk year HRs) more than what made him a great offensive player, and that had his worst year defensively, seemingly dogging it.

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« Reply #312: August 29, 2024, 11:39:19 AM »
Max and Trea signed with a division rival after being traded. It’s a big difference to most fans. VARK never embraced Bryce. I remember BIL thinking Bryce in the HR derby was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

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« Reply #313: August 29, 2024, 11:52:15 AM »
It's perceptions, not data, that's a good chunk of the reason why Harper is going to get booed and Soto, Turner, and Scherzer (and Rendon) aren't. Harper's last year was off relative to 2015 & 2017, he is very straightforward with his cockiness and emotions (where's my ring, the vegas knights shirt, the ESPN mag photoshoot, etc...), and there's no question in 2018 he was going for glory (walk year HRs) more than what made him a great offensive player, and that had his worst year defensively, seemingly dogging it.
The whole team was dogging it defensively that year. They came out in 2019 playing poor baseball as well. It took a magical run to get to the WS. And I honestly don't blame Harper for "dogging it" after nearly destroying his knee. He probably had lingering effects. He hit .300/.434/.538 the second half. The idea that he quit on the team or was going for glory is pretty absurd.

Max and Trea signed with a division rival after being traded. It’s a big difference to most fans. VARK never embraced Bryce. I remember BIL thinking Bryce in the HR derby was the greatest thing since sliced bread.
The difference here is the World Series and Nats fans imposter fan base syndrome. Josh Hader strikes out Taylor (and I'm still not sure if it hit the bat or his wrist first), Max and Trea come back to DC to a smattering of boos and mainly disinterest from an empty stadium.

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« Reply #314: August 29, 2024, 01:08:12 PM »
The idea that he quit on the team or was going for glory is pretty absurd obvious.

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« Reply #315: August 29, 2024, 01:19:22 PM »
Max and Trea signed with a division rival after being traded. It’s a big difference to most fans. VARK never embraced Bryce. I remember BIL thinking Bryce in the HR derby was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I thought he was great and was a big fan until he checked out in 2018.  I thought his performance in the 2018 HRD was the tipping point...it told me everything I needed to know about the kind of person / teammate he was / is. 

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« Reply #316: August 29, 2024, 01:25:48 PM »
Showing up at a Stanley Cup finals game in a VGK jersey probably didn't further his cause...yeah he's from there yadda yadda whatever  :roll:

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« Reply #317: August 29, 2024, 01:28:09 PM »
I thought he was great and was a big fan until he checked out in 2018.  I thought his performance in the 2018 HRD was the tipping point...it told me everything I needed to know about the kind of person / teammate he was / is.
I think his teammates love him now.  Maybe he has matured.

My point about BIL was that he thought the HR derby with Bryce was great.  But then turned on him when he signed with the Phillies.  I think that's the more typical reaction than yours. 

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« Reply #318: August 29, 2024, 01:34:03 PM »
Harper has grown up a lot since he was a young man in DC. When Washington decided they couldn't sign Harper they spent the money elsewhere. Then Harper came back to DC and would of signed with the Nats had they offered him a competitive contract.

There was never a hustle problem with Harper despite Papelbon. He's always been a good teammate and has been a hard worker off the field to try to better himself. Having said that I wish him nothing but failure in Philly because I can't stand the Philly fans. He's had a serious slump for the last couple of months but might be coming out of it. From what I've seen I haven't seen him pull a fastball in a long time.

He obviously regrets not adding an opt out in his contract as he's been making noise about an extension even though his contract runs through his age 38 season.

Last night was an embarrassment to him. Houston had a man on first and third. There was a pickoff throw to first. The runner on third saw Harper was slow with the tag on the runner and not really paying attention to anything else. The guy on third took off from third and scored.

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« Reply #319: August 29, 2024, 01:42:33 PM »
Harper has grown up a lot since he was a young man in DC. When Washington decided they couldn't sign Harper they spent the money elsewhere. Then Harper came back to DC and would of signed with the Nats had they offered him a competitive contract.

There was never a hustle problem with Harper despite Papelbon. He's always been a good teammate and has been a hard worker off the field to try to better himself. Having said that I wish him nothing but failure in Philly because I can't stand the Philly fans. He's had a serious slump for the last couple of months but might be coming out of it. From what I've seen I haven't seen him pull a fastball in a long time.

He obviously regrets not adding an opt out in his contract as he's been making noise about an extension even though his contract runs through his age 38 season.

Last night was an embarrassment to him. Houston had a man on first and third. There was a pickoff throw to first. The runner on third saw Harper was slow with the tag on the runner and not really paying attention to anything else. The guy on third took off from third and scored.
Ironically, Harper did that to the Phillies his rookie year.

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« Reply #320: August 29, 2024, 05:47:30 PM »
If Greg Maddux was a hitter,he’d be Juan Soto. Harper , on the other hand, is one of the most violent hitters I’ve ever seen. Both are great but it’s really hard to compare them much like Stan Musial vs Jim Thome.

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« Reply #321: August 29, 2024, 05:58:03 PM »
I think his teammates love him now.  Maybe he has matured.

My point about BIL was that he thought the HR derby with Bryce was great.  But then turned on him when he signed with the Phillies.  I think that's the more typical reaction than yours.

Gotcha...likely is...

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« Reply #322: August 29, 2024, 07:28:58 PM »
If Greg Maddux was a hitter,he’d be Juan Soto. Harper , on the other hand, is one of the most violent hitters I’ve ever seen. Both are great but it’s really hard to compare them much like Stan Musial vs Jim Thome.
I feel like if Maddux were a hitter, he'd be Arraez or Kwan.

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« Reply #323: August 29, 2024, 07:49:44 PM »
I feel like if Maddux were a hitter, he'd be Arraez or Kwan.
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« Reply #324: August 29, 2024, 08:51:17 PM »
I feel like if Maddux were a hitter, he'd be Arraez or Kwan.
Pedro would be Soto. The combo of precision as well as power, with astonishing stuff.