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Re: Juan Soto, Yankee
« Reply #150: May 30, 2024, 11:51:26 AM »
I don't get it.   Was there anything Soto could have done here that would not have got him out?   Any path back to base would have interfered.   If he had slid, then it would have probably had a worse result for the fielder.

Brings to mind the one involving the White Sox recently


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« Reply #151: May 30, 2024, 11:53:12 AM »
Soto checks the Angels SS to block him from catching an infield fly, gets called out, and Boone gets ejected.

https://sports.yahoo.com/yankees-juan-soto-called-out-aaron-boone-ejected-on-another-bizarre-infield-fly-interference-play-021540848.html

This is the stupidest rule in baseball. The hitter is already out because of infield fly rule. Why does he also need to have leeway to catch the ball?

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« Reply #152: May 30, 2024, 12:19:12 PM »
If the ball isn't caught, the runners can take off without tagging up even if the infield fly rule is called.   I think a simple tweak to the rule calling the hitter out and the ball dead in case of interference would suffice here if it is clearly incidental.   Otherwise, this just left Soto with no where to go.

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« Reply #153: May 30, 2024, 12:47:15 PM »
It appears the fielder misjudged the ball a little and the fielder had to go back at the last second causing the contact.

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« Reply #154: June 02, 2024, 08:15:32 PM »
Huge day for Soto. two home runs including one in the 9th to put the Yankees ahead.

Judge another home run last night.

Soto and Judge are as dangerous as Ruth/Gehrig, Mantle/Maris 1961.

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« Reply #155: June 02, 2024, 08:19:09 PM »
Saw that Soto winning home run. He crushed that off a guy who throws 100. He’s already rich and is going to be filthy rich after this season.

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« Reply #156: June 03, 2024, 10:12:28 AM »
I watched part of the Giants/Yankees series and Soto and Judge have to be the most impressive 1-2 punch I've seen in years.

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« Reply #157: June 03, 2024, 10:31:00 AM »
Srsly...and then there's the bridesmaid, Stanton. 

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« Reply #158: June 06, 2024, 11:24:19 PM »
https://x.com/chriskirschner/status/1798901093776212282?s=46&t=Kd5Xb-sOko7zTuia8gtlkA

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Juan Soto left tonight's game with left forearm discomfort

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« Reply #159: June 10, 2024, 07:42:59 AM »
"Losing Soto"

Dude was never staying.

Maybe, maybe not but the Lerners put out their faux offer like normal and then decided they weren't going any higher.  Meanwhile the Phillies were magically able to afford Harper, Turner and Schwarber whilst we somehow couldn't afford any of them? The amount of talent that has left this organization because the Lerners simply refuse to pay is mindboggling. We got next to nothing for Scherzer and Turner, got absolutely nothing for Harper or Rendon and then ended up with a good haul for Soto that most likely won't field any first ballot Hall of Famers like we gave away.

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« Reply #160: June 10, 2024, 07:47:55 AM »
Maybe, maybe not but the Lerners put out their faux offer like normal and then decided they weren't going any higher.  Meanwhile the Phillies were magically able to afford Harper, Turner and Schwarber whilst we somehow couldn't afford any of them? The amount of talent that has left this organization because the Lerners simply refuse to pay is mindboggling. We got next to nothing for Scherzer and Turner, got absolutely nothing for Harper or Rendon and then ended up with a good haul for Soto that most likely won't field any first ballot Hall of Famers like we gave away.
"Faux offer"

They offered him the largest contract in baseball history. And they could have doubled it and Soto/Boras still would have said no.

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« Reply #161: June 10, 2024, 10:00:23 AM »
The Soto trade is arguably the second best trade in team history, behind only Sousa for Trea. I'd put it ahead of the Gio trade right now.

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« Reply #162: June 10, 2024, 10:03:59 AM »
Maybe, maybe not but the Lerners put out their faux offer like normal and then decided they weren't going any higher.  Meanwhile the Phillies were magically able to afford Harper, Turner and Schwarber whilst we somehow couldn't afford any of them? The amount of talent that has left this organization because the Lerners simply refuse to pay is mindboggling. We got next to nothing for Scherzer and Turner, got absolutely nothing for Harper or Rendon and then ended up with a good haul for Soto that most likely won't field any first ballot Hall of Famers like we gave away.

The difference in local TV revenue alone pays for Harper, Turner and Schwarber. The Phils get about $125 million a year, the Nats about $61 million.

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« Reply #163: June 10, 2024, 12:31:42 PM »
"Faux offer"

They offered him the largest contract in baseball history. And they could have doubled it and Soto/Boras still would have said no.

And the AAV was like 19th highest at that time. It was a faux offer that almost no player of his pedigree would've signed which they absolutely knew.

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« Reply #164: June 10, 2024, 12:37:47 PM »
The Soto trade is arguably the second best trade in team history, behind only Sousa for Trea. I'd put it ahead of the Gio trade right now.

The Tanner Roark and Howie Kendrick trades were pretty damn good too.

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« Reply #165: June 10, 2024, 12:41:16 PM »
The difference in local TV revenue alone pays for Harper, Turner and Schwarber. The Phils get about $125 million a year, the Nats about $61 million.

They could've afforded to keep at least one of Harper or Turner. I mean, the Harper offer was pretty embarrassing.

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« Reply #166: June 10, 2024, 01:11:55 PM »
And the AAV was like 19th highest at that time. It was a faux offer that almost no player of his pedigree would've signed which they absolutely knew.
Except it matched virtually every deal at the time. Longer years with more money, effectively lowering the AAV.

Ohtani's contract is being valued at 42 million AAV. The Soto offer was fair.

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« Reply #167: June 10, 2024, 01:14:47 PM »
Gore and Abrams look to be 3 WAR per year players. Maybe 4.  So really depends on what Wood does. If he is a 4 WAR per year player then it’s like 10 WAR a year at cheaper cost for a guy who was going to leave.  Don’t expect much from Hassell or Susana. That would be gravy. 

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« Reply #168: June 10, 2024, 01:15:51 PM »
They could've afforded to keep at least one of Harper or Turner. I mean, the Harper offer was pretty embarrassing.
But we had to lose Harper to win a WS

Also, we dodged a huge bullet with Turner. Dude wanted 300+ million on the downside of his career. He's about a season away from being Xander Boegarts

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« Reply #169: June 10, 2024, 01:17:13 PM »
Except it matched virtually every deal at the time. Longer years with more money, effectively lowering the AAV.

Ohtani's contract is being valued at 42 million AAV. The Soto offer was fair.
How much more would he have made the first couple years of the deal versus what he has gotten through arbitration?  He bet on himself.  He’s also younger than all the other guys you are using as an example when he will sign his new contract.  It wasn’t as bad as the Harper offer though. 

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« Reply #170: June 10, 2024, 01:19:03 PM »
Gore and Abrams look to be 3 WAR per year players. Maybe 4.
ooohhh . . . I can see the eye-doctors lining up to check your vision on Abrams. Same way I keep getting robocalls about what I say about Young.

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« Reply #171: June 10, 2024, 01:21:34 PM »
ooohhh . . . I can see the eye-doctors lining up to check your vision on Abrams. Same way I keep getting robocalls about what I say about Young.
He’s 1.4 bWAR so far this year. Gore is 0.9 which seems low.  Maybe fangraphs is higher?

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« Reply #172: June 10, 2024, 01:23:51 PM »
But we had to lose Harper to win a WS

Also, we dodged a huge bullet with Turner. Dude wanted 300+ million on the downside of his career. He's about a season away from being Xander Boegarts

You could certainly be right about losing Harper and gaining a title but I think both could've been possible. I'm guessing it would've meant no Corbin but its also possible we win it without him.  As far as Turner goes, did he want $300M when he was with us? I didn't think he did. Didn't his group want to negotiate and the Lerners wouldn't even do it at all?

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« Reply #173: June 10, 2024, 01:24:30 PM »
At this point it’s all spilled milk. They were not going to compete anyway the way the team was constructed.  My worry is the future. Will they pay adequately to keep the good players?  Are they willing to spend to attract free agents to fill gaps? Are they improving drafting and development?  Seem all unknowns and I’m skeptical.

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« Reply #174: June 10, 2024, 01:29:23 PM »
Except it matched virtually every deal at the time. Longer years with more money, effectively lowering the AAV.

Ohtani's contract is being valued at 42 million AAV. The Soto offer was fair.

I just don't agree that it was fair for his talent and his age. It totally prevented him from ever hitting free agency again and his AAV wasn't even $30M. In two to three years that contract would've looked insanely bad on Soto's side. The truth of the matter for me is I want an ownership group that will pay their players. I don't want to just enjoy a player for 3-4 years knowing no matter how good the player is the Lerners will have no intention of keeping him around. We're going to face this exact same issue with Abrams, Gore, Crews, Woods, House etc. unless someone comes along with an offer the Lerners can't refuse for the franchise.