Author Topic: What to trade? (Read 69975 times)

CoryTheFormerExposFan · « **Reply #350 on:** June 28, 2018, 03:31:25 pm »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on June 28, 2018, 03:15:52 pm

Probably right, but I'd at least think about a Snell / Ramos / bullpen help for Robles kind of deal if I knew a bit more about Bryce's future.

Robles alone wouldn't fetch Snell, let alone Ramos and bullpen help with him. You guys are really misinformed on how good Snell is.

Ray D · « **Reply #351 on:** June 28, 2018, 03:50:21 pm »

Quote from: CoryTheFormerExposFan on June 28, 2018, 03:30:12 pm

You know another lefty who had major control problems when he first came up? Kershaw.

And Koufax, even worse.

CoryTheFormerExposFan · « **Reply #352 on:** June 28, 2018, 03:53:12 pm »

Quote from: Ray D on June 28, 2018, 03:50:21 pm

And Koufax, even worse.

Yea, and he's already improved it at 25 to where this season his walk rate is fine. Not even Robles would bring back Snell in return.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #353 on:** June 28, 2018, 04:09:11 pm »

Quote from: Ray D on June 28, 2018, 03:50:21 pm

And Koufax, even worse.

Is he availabile?

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #354 on:** June 28, 2018, 05:38:57 pm »

Quote from: CoryTheFormerExposFan on June 28, 2018, 03:31:25 pm

Robles alone wouldn't fetch Snell, let alone Ramos and bullpen help with him. You guys are really misinformed on how good Snell is.

Usually 5 tool top prospects fetch more than pitching, but yes, it'd take more than Robles for Snell b/c he's in the middle of a break out at the MLB level. No, I wasn't saying Robles alone would fetch that whole package; I was saying for Snell, I'd be willing to break the never trade Robles pledge I took. Stick him in a package, and I'd make it big enough to get Ramos, too. Probably take Antuna or Garcia, and Crowe, and another big piece.

CoryTheFormerExposFan · « **Reply #355 on:** June 29, 2018, 12:07:13 pm »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on June 28, 2018, 05:38:57 pm

Usually 5 tool top prospects fetch more than pitching, but yes, it'd take more than Robles for Snell b/c he's in the middle of a break out at the MLB level. No, I wasn't saying Robles alone would fetch that whole package; I was saying for Snell, I'd be willing to break the never trade Robles pledge I took. Stick him in a package, and I'd make it big enough to get Ramos, too. Probably take Antuna or Garcia, and Crowe, and another big piece.

Sure, I'd trade the unknown in Robles for a guy now proven as a stud MLB starter this year that also was a top prospect, is just 25, is a lefty, and has 4 more years of control. I don't see why the Rays would want to do that. We don't have any other prospects to add to Robles that should entice them.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #356 on:** June 29, 2018, 12:24:47 pm »

Quote from: CoryTheFormerExposFan on June 29, 2018, 12:07:13 pm

Sure, I'd trade the unknown in Robles for a guy now proven as a stud MLB starter this year that also was a top prospect, is just 25, is a lefty, and has 4 more years of control. I don't see why the Rays would want to do that. We don't have any other prospects to add to Robles that should entice them.

I think you may be right. I think Snell is incredibly valuable. It's just a top 5 prospect is still a heck of a chip, and I have admittedly rose-colored view of Antuna and Garcia. If we then get to trying quantity of B level guys to make up for lack of studs, then we end up stripping the minors.

We really need to look at expiring contracts or well-compensated guys as trade targets.

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #357 on:** June 29, 2018, 12:30:33 pm »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on June 29, 2018, 12:24:47 pm

I think you may be right. I think Snell is incredibly valuable. It's just a top 5 prospect is still a heck of a chip, and I have admittedly rose-colored view of Antuna and Garcia. If we then get to trying quantity of B level guys to make up for lack of studs, then we end up stripping the minors.

We really need to look at expiring contracts or well-compensated guys as trade targets.

Mistake to trade an everyday player for a pitcher. Pitchers get hurt more often.

aBaltoNat · « **Reply #358 on:** June 30, 2018, 10:21:50 am »

Quote from: Natsinpwc on June 29, 2018, 12:30:33 pm

Mistake to trade an everyday player for a pitcher. Pitchers get hurt more often.

We have absolutely no P depth due to trading away arms for the past several years.

Not saying I disagree with you (screw trading Soto or Robles) but we need to draft better and actually develop some pitchers...even relief guys.

Truconfidence · « **Reply #359 on:** June 30, 2018, 12:28:08 pm »

Quote from: aBaltoNat on June 30, 2018, 10:21:50 am

We have absolutely no P depth due to trading away arms for the past several years.

Not saying I disagree with you (screw trading Soto or Robles) but we need to draft better and actually develop some pitchers...even relief guys.

I think all the depth is coming. we have drafted nothing but pitchers the last 2 years. Crowe, Sharp are a little ahead of most.Also Rodriguez is definitely gonna be something eventually whether it be starting or the pen.

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #360 on:** July 03, 2018, 09:41:42 am »

Jon Heyman@JonHeyman
36 mins ago
Nats have talked to the Reds. Matt Harvey and Raisel Iglesias are of interest to nats, who are seeking another starter. Multiple teams see Iglesias as possible starter.

Slateman · « **Reply #361 on:** July 03, 2018, 09:42:31 am »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on July 03, 2018, 09:41:42 am

Jon Heyman@JonHeyman
36 mins ago
Nats have talked to the Reds. Matt Harvey and Raisel Iglesias are of interest to nats, who are seeking another starter. Multiple teams see Iglesias as possible starter.

Harvey

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #362 on:** July 03, 2018, 09:48:47 am »

Quote from: Slateman on July 03, 2018, 09:42:31 am

Harvey

His velo has rebounded the past few weeks, fwiw. His last 4 starts have actually been good.

dcpatti · « **Reply #363 on:** July 03, 2018, 09:49:50 am »

I’ll take Matt Harvey if he brings Scooter Gennett along for the ride.

Harvey’s actually been pretty decent since he got to the Reds. Not my first choice for trade target but he’s probably one of the cheapest SP that’s going to be on the market.

BigMeech · « **Reply #364 on:** July 03, 2018, 10:04:12 am »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on July 03, 2018, 09:41:42 am

Jon Heyman@JonHeyman
36 mins ago
Nats have talked to the Reds. Matt Harvey and Raisel Iglesias are of interest to nats, who are seeking another starter. Multiple teams see Iglesias as possible starter.

Jesus this season really is lost.

Slateman · « **Reply #365 on:** July 03, 2018, 10:09:40 am »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on July 03, 2018, 09:48:47 am

His velo has rebounded the past few weeks, fwiw. His last 4 starts have actually been good.

We already have Strasburg and Gio. We don't need more mental flower snowflakes on the team

Baseball is Life · « **Reply #366 on:** July 03, 2018, 10:20:48 am »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on July 03, 2018, 09:41:42 am

Jon Heyman@JonHeyman
36 mins ago
Nats have talked to the Reds. Matt Harvey and Raisel Iglesias are of interest to nats, who are seeking another starter. Multiple teams see Iglesias as possible starter.

Gross. I want no part of Harvey. What a selfish idiot.

imref · « **Reply #367 on:** July 03, 2018, 10:24:12 am »

Quote from: Baseball is Life on July 03, 2018, 10:20:48 am

Gross. I want no part of Harvey. What a selfish idiot.

Harvey has been pretty good for Cincy. 3.86 ERA / 1.099 WHIP. 18.1, 3ER in his last 3 starts.

Baseball is Life · « **Reply #368 on:** July 03, 2018, 10:26:51 am »

Quote from: imref on July 03, 2018, 10:24:12 am

Harvey has been pretty good for Cincy. 3.86 ERA / 1.099 WHIP. 18.1, 3ER in his last 3 starts.

I don't care how good he has been. He's a bad clubhouse guy. And you know we Nats fans prefer character guys to winning.

dcpatti · « **Reply #369 on:** July 03, 2018, 10:32:55 am »

To be fair, Heyman is the only one reporting this, so we may have already started working a deal or he may just be pulling random player-team combinations out of a hat again.

welch · « **Reply #370 on:** July 03, 2018, 10:39:23 am »

I would want Harvey as a rental over Fedde and Rodriguez. Gio is slumping downward.

Ray D · « **Reply #371 on:** July 03, 2018, 10:44:16 am »

Maybe it's this Harvey.

Ray D · « **Reply #372 on:** July 03, 2018, 10:45:23 am »

.... Or this one...

Slateman · « **Reply #373 on:** July 03, 2018, 10:55:24 am »

Quote from: imref on July 03, 2018, 10:24:12 am

Harvey has been pretty good for Cincy. 3.86 ERA / 1.099 WHIP. 18.1, 3ER in his last 3 starts.

6.87 K/9 rate. This isn't the old Matt Harvey. Thinking of him as anything more than Hellickson is dumb at this point.

It would be nice to get Iglesias, but I"m not sure how necessary that is. I also think it's idiotic to try and turn him into a starter mid-season, so if you plan on doing that, it's the plan for next season.

sixthree175 · « **Reply #374 on:** July 03, 2018, 01:22:52 pm »

Quote from: BigMeech on July 03, 2018, 10:04:12 am

Jesus this season really is lost.

I agree. Management should switch gears and SELL SELL SELL. The Braves are a really good team. The Nats are not. Simple as that.