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Offline DPMOmaha

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #500 on: July 10, 2018, 09:18:06 am »
Realmuto is on pace for 7 WAR in a park that is god awful for hitters. Take him out of there and his    .329/.393/.592 away split becomes even more valuable.
I'm not doubting that. But I'm not trading Turner to get him.

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #501 on: July 10, 2018, 09:26:38 am »
I'm not doubting that. But I'm not trading Turner to get him.
I am.

Doesn't matter of course. Only Rizzo knows.

Offline Expos

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #502 on: July 10, 2018, 10:10:34 am »
Its do or die for Rizzo. Either get new starting pitching, or be a seller at the deadline.

Robles, Roark, and small parts for Archer and Wilson
Fedde and another part to the Angel's for Garret Richard's and Blake Parker

I really think Soto's play has made Robles expendable.

Even if Harper leaves we have an outfield of:

LF- Soto
CF- Taylor
RF- Eaton
4th- Goodwin

And that is a pretty stellar group for the long haul.

Victor Robles and Tanner Roark for Blake Snell and Wilson Ramos.

Scherzer, Strasburg and Snell would be the best group in the league by far.

Offline Slateman

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #503 on: July 10, 2018, 10:32:21 am »
Robles isnt enough to get Snell. You're going to have to put together a Sale-like package for him. There's no way the Ray's take so little for him.

Offline UMDNats

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #504 on: July 10, 2018, 10:49:16 am »
Yeah, if Robles was healthy and hitting .350 in AAA, maybe he + a meh player could get someone like Snell.

Though, I do agree that with the addition of Soto, Robles can be made available...for a controlled pitcher only IMO.

Also, the idea of Eaton-Robles-Soto in 2019 is exciting. Rendon and Turner on the left side and...figure out the right side. There's a good lineup already.

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #505 on: July 10, 2018, 10:50:50 am »
I am.

Doesn't matter of course. Only Rizzo knows.

I would trade Robles before Turner. I just think that Turner has proven more at the MLB level. Also, MI are hard to come by and the Nats have a glut of OF.

Offline Greg_SRT

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #506 on: July 10, 2018, 10:55:43 am »
I'm not sold on Taylor.

I know he can be good. But when he's bad... Kind of like Gio.

I don't think I want to roll the dice with MAT and Goodwin being 2/3's of my outfield when Eaton goes down.

Offline UMDNats

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #507 on: July 10, 2018, 10:59:12 am »
I'm not sold on Taylor.

I know he can be good. But when he's bad... Kind of like Gio.

I don't think I want to roll the dice with MAT and Goodwin being 2/3's of my outfield when Eaton goes down.

This is true, but outfielders can be found for cheaper than starters or catchers. There's a small list of guys I'd deal Robles for, but there's a list.

Offline dcpatti

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« Reply #508 on: July 10, 2018, 12:19:00 pm »
I'm not sold on Taylor.

I know he can be good. But when he's bad... Kind of like Gio.

I don't think I want to roll the dice with MAT and Goodwin being 2/3's of my outfield when Eaton goes down.

Taylor's defense never, ever slumps, and while his strikeouts can be really painful to watch, his current strikeout rate is not much higher than Khris Davis, Aguillar,  Bour or Hoskins, and is a bit lower than Stanton, Judge, and significantly lower than Sano.  Power hitters strike out a lot. While Mikey T isn't going to launch as many as Stanton or Judge do, Stanton and Judge are freaks of nature and should be considered the outliers, not the standard.


Offline UMDNats

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #509 on: July 10, 2018, 12:26:53 pm »
Taylor hasn't been nearly as good as last year (started off awful, he got hot, we got healthy, he got to the bench, he got cold), but even as a 4th OF he's got a spot. I'm not a big fan of his but we can throw him out in CF and kinda know what he's gonna give us and then hope for upside.

Offline RichMinSC

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #510 on: July 10, 2018, 12:30:24 pm »
Taylor's defense never, ever slumps, and while his strikeouts can be really painful to watch, his current strikeout rate is not much higher than Khris Davis, Aguillar,  Bour or Hoskins, and is a bit lower than Stanton, Judge, and significantly lower than Sano.  Power hitters strike out a lot. While Mikey T isn't going to launch as many as Stanton or Judge do, Stanton and Judge are freaks of nature and should be considered the outliers, not the standard.

at least he showed some fire yesterday after striking out

Offline DPMOmaha

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Offline ChiliPalmer14

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #512 on: July 10, 2018, 01:38:11 pm »
If they don't make the post season, Rizzo missed an opportunity to make some potentially big value adds for the future.  But selling it all is a tough trigger to pull when cogent arguments can be made that the Nats are very much still alive.  And standing pat seems, to me, to be the only scenario that he CAN'T choose.  And no matter which way you go, I think you have to go big.  I don't envy him. 

Offline NatsAllThe Way

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #513 on: July 10, 2018, 01:47:05 pm »
If Madbum is really available, I'd be aggressive in pursuing him.

That still only gives us 40% of a reliable rotation, and while that's twice as much as we have now, it's still a band-aid on a gaping wound that comes at an immense cost.

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #514 on: July 10, 2018, 02:06:28 pm »
Taylor's defense never, ever slumps, and while his strikeouts can be really painful to watch, his current strikeout rate is not much higher than Khris Davis, Aguillar,  Bour or Hoskins, and is a bit lower than Stanton, Judge, and significantly lower than Sano.  Power hitters strike out a lot. While Mikey T isn't going to launch as many as Stanton or Judge do, Stanton and Judge are freaks of nature and should be considered the outliers, not the standard.


Taylor's defense is replicable. He is probably not the best outfield defender in the Nationals organization right now.

The question with Taylor is how many strikouts are you willing to accept. This is the lowest K% he's ever had, and it's still rather high. I simply don't believe that a high average is sustainable, particularly when the offense won't be as good going forward and he will get exposed more.

That still only gives us 40% of a reliable rotation, and while that's twice as much as we have now, it's still a band-aid on a gaping wound that comes at an immense cost.
Except it gets rid of Rodriguez. So we're giving up a bad pitcher a good one. Then you get Strasburg back, and now you've got a rotation composed of 60% Cy Young candidates. There's less pressure on Gio and Helickson. There's less wear and tear on the bullpen.

Also, Bumgarner is relatively inexpensive with two team options over the next two seasons. And we know what MadBum can do in the playoffs.

Look, Rizzo has to do SOMETHING to get Tanner and Rodriguez out of the rotation. They are almost singlehandedly killing this team. You can't keep trotting out guys that can't get out of the 5th inning without giving up 5+ runs. It's too demoralizing to the team.  Furthermore, we saw last post season what happens when one of your primo guys gets dinged at the end of the season. You have to start Gio Gonzalez two games in a five game series. And we see how that ends.

Offline DPMOmaha

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #515 on: July 10, 2018, 02:19:47 pm »
That still only gives us 40% of a reliable rotation, and while that's twice as much as we have now, it's still a band-aid on a gaping wound that comes at an immense cost.
Stras will be back soon and that gives the Nats a formidable top 3 and moves Gio and Tanner back to the spots they should be in. If they can get to October, I'd take my chances vs. anybody.

Offline DPMOmaha

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« Reply #516 on: July 10, 2018, 02:21:37 pm »
Taylor's defense is replicable. He is probably not the best outfield defender in the Nationals organization right now.

The question with Taylor is how many strikouts are you willing to accept. This is the lowest K% he's ever had, and it's still rather high. I simply don't believe that a high average is sustainable, particularly when the offense won't be as good going forward and he will get exposed more.
Except it gets rid of Rodriguez. So we're giving up a bad pitcher a good one. Then you get Strasburg back, and now you've got a rotation composed of 60% Cy Young candidates. There's less pressure on Gio and Helickson. There's less wear and tear on the bullpen.

Also, Bumgarner is relatively inexpensive with two team options over the next two seasons. And we know what MadBum can do in the playoffs.

Look, Rizzo has to do SOMETHING to get Tanner and Rodriguez out of the rotation. They are almost singlehandedly killing this team. You can't keep trotting out guys that can't get out of the 5th inning without giving up 5+ runs. It's too demoralizing to the team.  Furthermore, we saw last post season what happens when one of your primo guys gets dinged at the end of the season. You have to start Gio Gonzalez two games in a five game series. And we see how that ends.
I'd only seen one option for MadBum. Two would be amazing. He'd be expensive, though, but would make the loss of a Robles or Soto palatable.

Offline varoadking

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #517 on: July 10, 2018, 02:24:37 pm »

I think we may be losing sight of an important factor...

Rizzo has long said that he want's the team to be competitive every year.  While he's also said that winning Division Championships was not enough, he's never gonna go for broke in any one season...

Offline DPMOmaha

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« Reply #518 on: July 10, 2018, 02:27:00 pm »
I think we may be losing sight of an important factor...

Rizzo has long said that he want's the team to be competitive every year.  While he's also said that winning Division Championships was not enough, he's never gonna go for broke in any one season...
Which is why he so often goes after guys who aren't rentals. MadBum would fall into that category. Nats still have a lot of pieces after this year in place.

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« Reply #519 on: July 10, 2018, 02:48:55 pm »
I think we may be losing sight of an important factor...

Rizzo has long said that he want's the team to be competitive every year.  While he's also said that winning Division Championships was not enough, he's never gonna go for broke in any one season...

Well as it stands right now I'm not sure Nats can be described as competitive.

Offline Ray D

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« Reply #520 on: July 10, 2018, 02:49:26 pm »
Stras will be back soon and that gives the Nats a formidable top 3

Who's the third?

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Offline Ray D

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #522 on: July 10, 2018, 02:50:46 pm »
MadAss
Ah, sorry I should have read the thread.

Offline DPMOmaha

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #523 on: July 10, 2018, 02:51:32 pm »
Who's the third?
Max, Stras, Madbum (hypothetically)

Offline dcpatti

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #524 on: July 10, 2018, 02:54:38 pm »
Bumgarner would definitely be a great pick-up, but we probably don't have the pieces to get the deal done, and even if we did, that's not entirely Rizzo's style. He tends to go for the under-the-radar pick who may not be the top guy but is still really good, like Doolittle, Melancon, and Kendrick.   Someone like Sean Sean Manaea or Jose Berrios.