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Offline aBaltoNat

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #325 on: June 26, 2018, 06:40:09 pm »
Quote from: Ray D on June 26, 2018, 05:39:33 pm
What to trade for?  Nothing.  If we can't hit with the talent we have, nothing we add is going to help. Whoever we obtain no matter how good will instantly stop hitting and we will have wasted prospects.  Seriously, adding offense to this lineup is a waste of resources.  The lineup either starts living up to its potential ... or it doesn't.

I agree with The D.
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Offline CoryTheFormerExposFan

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #326 on: June 27, 2018, 12:53:21 pm »
Quote from: Ray D on June 26, 2018, 05:39:33 pm
What to trade for?  Nothing.  If we can't hit with the talent we have, nothing we add is going to help. Whoever we obtain no matter how good will instantly stop hitting and we will have wasted prospects.  Seriously, adding offense to this lineup is a waste of resources.  The lineup either starts living up to its potential ... or it doesn't.

Yes, aside from catcher, you have to just hope that the other guys hit the way they're capable.  If we can give up mediocre prospects for Ramos and what we gave for Herrera, that is something I'd do. 
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Offline DPMOmaha

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #327 on: June 28, 2018, 11:12:10 am »
Mets "will listen to offers" for deGrom and Syndergaard. deGrom has 2 years of control left. Thor has 3. Would you include a guy like Robles or Soto (plus more top prospects...) for one of them?
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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #328 on: June 28, 2018, 11:59:00 am »
Quote from: DPMOmaha on June 28, 2018, 11:12:10 am
Mets "will listen to offers" for deGrom and Syndergaard. deGrom has 2 years of control left. Thor has 3. Would you include a guy like Robles or Soto (plus more top prospects...) for one of them?
Honestly, no.

Syndergaard seems to get hurt a lot. I have a feeling that despite being built like a brick house, throwing that hard simply isn't made for longevity.

deGrom is having an amazing career year. But he's also 30 and 7 years removed from TJS. At some point, and I would think soon, he's going to have come back down to Earth.

So even if they were willing to deal them to the Nationals, I definitely am not willing to give up Soto based on what I've seen this season. And I'm likely not willing to do it for Robles. 
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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #329 on: June 28, 2018, 11:59:29 am »
Either Chris Archer or Blake Snell, Wilson Ramos, and (maybe) a lefty reliever to the Nationals for Carter Keiboom, Pedro Severino or Spencer Keiboom or Raudy Reed (their choice), Jefry Rodrigez, and  Will Crowe (Sammy Solis and another minor leaguer if they find a lefty reliever worth dealing)
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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #330 on: June 28, 2018, 12:02:14 pm »
Quote from: Slateman on June 28, 2018, 11:59:00 am
Honestly, no.

Syndergaard seems to get hurt a lot. I have a feeling that despite being built like a brick house, throwing that hard simply isn't made for longevity.

deGrom is having an amazing career year. But he's also 30 and 7 years removed from TJS. At some point, and I would think soon, he's going to have come back down to Earth.

So even if they were willing to deal them to the Nationals, I definitely am not willing to give up Soto based on what I've seen this season. And I'm likely not willing to do it for Robles. 

Agreed.  I don't think we move Soto, Robles or Keiboom.  Those guys are the core of this team for the next 5 years or so.
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Offline Slateman

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #331 on: June 28, 2018, 12:12:39 pm »
Quote from: imref on June 28, 2018, 12:02:14 pm
Agreed.  I don't think we move Soto, Robles or Keiboom.  Those guys are the core of this team for the next 5 years or so.
Eh, I'd move Keiboom in a heartbeat.
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Offline GburgNatsFan

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #332 on: June 28, 2018, 12:14:20 pm »
Which one?
Quote from: Slateman on June 28, 2018, 12:12:39 pm
Eh, I'd move Keiboom in a heartbeat.
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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #333 on: June 28, 2018, 12:15:07 pm »
Quote from: GburgNatsFan on June 28, 2018, 12:14:20 pm
Which one?

I don't think he cares. Probably both.
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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #334 on: June 28, 2018, 12:19:59 pm »
I'd like to see Carter before we move him, personally.

Quote from: bluestreak on June 28, 2018, 12:15:07 pm
I don't think he cares. Probably both.
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Offline Vega

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #335 on: June 28, 2018, 12:38:57 pm »
I heavily doubt that a trade of that magnitude would occur between division rivals.
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Offline Slateman

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #336 on: June 28, 2018, 12:59:04 pm »
Quote from: GburgNatsFan on June 28, 2018, 12:14:20 pm
Which one?
Yes. Frankly Soto's performance gives him a little boost because they may think they can catch lightening twice.

Quote from: Vega on June 28, 2018, 12:38:57 pm
I heavily doubt that a trade of that magnitude would occur between division rivals.
Totally agree. But it's interesting to speculate, no?
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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #337 on: June 28, 2018, 01:02:45 pm »
Quote from: Slateman on June 28, 2018, 11:59:29 am
Either Chris Archer or Blake Snell, Wilson Ramos, and (maybe) a lefty reliever to the Nationals for Carter Keiboom, Pedro Severino or Spencer Keiboom or Raudy Reed (their choice), Jefry Rodrigez, and  Will Crowe (Sammy Solis and another minor leaguer if they find a lefty reliever worth dealing)

This is plausible (but what the hell do I know) if Ramos is a rental for this year (I thin Archer is?). What's his contract situation?
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Offline DPMOmaha

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #338 on: June 28, 2018, 01:12:32 pm »
Quote from: Baseball is Life on June 28, 2018, 01:02:45 pm
This is plausible (but what the hell do I know) if Ramos is a rental for this year (I thin Archer is?). What's his contract situation?
Signed through 19 with team options for 20 and 21. Really team friendly deal, actually
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Offline hotshot

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #339 on: June 28, 2018, 01:29:20 pm »
Quote from: DPMOmaha on June 28, 2018, 11:12:10 am
Mets "will listen to offers" for deGrom and Syndergaard. deGrom has 2 years of control left. Thor has 3. Would you include a guy like Robles or Soto (plus more top prospects...) for one of them?

Hell yes, for deGrom. Syndergaard, probably.
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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #340 on: June 28, 2018, 01:31:49 pm »
DC United just signed Rooney so Nats have to get Trout.
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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #341 on: June 28, 2018, 01:32:41 pm »
Quote from: DPMOmaha on June 28, 2018, 01:12:32 pm
Signed through 19 with team options for 20 and 21. Really team friendly deal, actually

Then I doubt the Rays make that deal.
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Offline Truconfidence

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #342 on: June 28, 2018, 01:53:43 pm »
Quote from: Slateman on June 28, 2018, 11:59:29 am
Either Chris Archer or Blake Snell, Wilson Ramos, and (maybe) a lefty reliever to the Nationals for Carter Keiboom, Pedro Severino or Spencer Keiboom or Raudy Reed (their choice), Jefry Rodrigez, and  Will Crowe (Sammy Solis and another minor leaguer if they find a lefty reliever worth dealing)
Dont want Archer or Snell. Snell is alot like Gio. He walks sooo many guys and gets out of it. Career 150BB in 319.2 IP. Archer I would like more but he has not pitched well in 2 years.
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Offline Slateman

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #343 on: June 28, 2018, 02:05:57 pm »
Quote from: Truconfidence on June 28, 2018, 01:53:43 pm
Dont want Archer or Snell. Snell is alot like Gio. He walks sooo many guys and gets out of it. Career 150BB in 319.2 IP. Archer I would like more but he has not pitched well in 2 years.

You mean the same Gio we got 21.3 WAR out of in 6 seasons?
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Offline CoryTheFormerExposFan

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #344 on: June 28, 2018, 02:07:08 pm »
Quote from: Truconfidence on June 28, 2018, 01:53:43 pm
Dont want Archer or Snell. Snell is alot like Gio. He walks sooo many guys and gets out of it. Career 150BB in 319.2 IP. Archer I would like more but he has not pitched well in 2 years.

The Rays aren't going to just dump a stud young pitching talent like Snell that hasn't even hit arbitration yet anyway.  Archer is a guy they'd trade.
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Offline Truconfidence

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #345 on: June 28, 2018, 03:07:30 pm »
Quote from: CoryTheFormerExposFan on June 28, 2018, 02:07:08 pm
The Rays aren't going to just dump a stud young pitching talent like Snell that hasn't even hit arbitration yet anyway.  Archer is a guy they'd trade.

I agree but he would frustrate me tg ats all I was getting at.
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Offline Truconfidence

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #346 on: June 28, 2018, 03:08:32 pm »
Quote from: Slateman on June 28, 2018, 02:05:57 pm
You mean the same Gio we got 21.3 WAR out of in 6 seasons?
yes and he has worse walk problems than Gio ever had. 1BB for every 2 innings is too much.
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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #347 on: June 28, 2018, 03:15:52 pm »
Quote from: CoryTheFormerExposFan on June 28, 2018, 02:07:08 pm
The Rays aren't going to just dump a stud young pitching talent like Snell that hasn't even hit arbitration yet anyway.  Archer is a guy they'd trade.
Probably right, but I'd at least think about a Snell / Ramos / bullpen help for Robles kind of deal if I knew a bit more about Bryce's future.
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Offline HalfSmokes

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #348 on: June 28, 2018, 03:24:08 pm »
Quote from: Baseball is Life on June 28, 2018, 01:31:49 pm
DC United just signed Rooney so Nats have to get Trout.

I guess if he’s 45 and still wants to play. That’s about the equivalent
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Offline CoryTheFormerExposFan

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Re: What to trade for?
« Reply #349 on: June 28, 2018, 03:30:12 pm »
Quote from: Truconfidence on June 28, 2018, 03:07:30 pm
I agree but he would frustrate me tg ats all I was getting at.

I would do cartwheels if we got him.  You know another lefty who had major control problems when he first came up?  Kershaw.  Snell is in his first full season in the rotation.  His walks per 9 are down from 5.16 as a rookie to 3.55.  His ERA is 2.31 and he's won 10 games for a crap team.  Over 10 ks per 9.  1.04 WHIP.  He's still just 25.  Dude is a stud.
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