Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.

[Ray D]

What's wrong with Vidro? There have been several Latino managers who have done just fine.

Nothing at all to do with being Latino.  Vidro has never given me any reason to think he is managerial material.  Neither has Ripken for that matter.

[More of #34]

Ripken can't give anybody any experience until someone gives him a shot at managing.

[ExposFan87]

Jose Vidro was a 3 time all-star, runs a baseball academy in Puerto Rico, and frankly his hiring would go a long way towards rebuilding the fractured relationship with the fans here in Montreal.

[HalfSmokes]

Jose Vidro was a 3 time all-star,

matt williams was a five time all star and sucks

runs a baseball academy in Puerto Rico,

don't see how that's relevant

and frankly his hiring would go a long way towards rebuilding the fractured relationship with the fans here in Montreal.

not sure many people from Lerner through Rizzo down to fans at nats park really care about that one

[skippy1999]

Jose Vidro was a 3 time all-star, runs a baseball academy in Puerto Rico, and frankly his hiring would go a long way towards rebuilding the fractured relationship with the fans here in Montreal.

Listen it's nice that this guy is your hero and all but no one cares how the fans in Montreal feel-winning, WINNING, will make all fans feel better, and we need a good, competent manager to do that. 

[Mattionals]

Listen it's nice that this guy is your hero and all but no one cares how the fans in Montreal feel-winning, WINNING, will make all fans feel better, and we need a good, competent manager to do that.

Correct. Hire Dave Martinez.

[ExposFan87]

Dave Martinez is always the bridesmaid never the bride. He's interviewed for and been passed on by the White Sox, Astros, Cubs, Nats, and even the Rays where he had been coaching for years.

Getting Joe Maddon's coffee is hardly a qualification. Was Dave Martinez ever an all-star?

Jose Vidro is one of the franchise's all-time greats.

Dave Martinez named his son Jagger, after the English musician Chris Jagger. He doesn't strike me as a leader of men.

[mitlen]

Getting Joe Maddon's coffee is hardly a qualification. Was Dave Martinez ever an all-star?

Was LaRussa, Maddon, Lasorda, Weaver  ....  ?

[HalfSmokes]

Why should the team care about Montreal's baseball history?

[ExposFan87]

Why should the team care about Montreal's baseball history?

There is a saying in Canada that those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

[mitlen]

There is a saying in Canada that those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Some Spanish guy coined the original phrase.   Did Canada also invent the electric light bulb?

[HalfSmokes]

There is a saying in Canada that those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

we have enough local baseball history to teach us that

[Elvir Ovcina]

Dave Martinez is always the bridesmaid never the bride. He's interviewed for and been passed on by the White Sox, Astros, Cubs, Nats, and even the Rays where he had been coaching for years.

Getting Joe Maddon's coffee is hardly a qualification. Was Dave Martinez ever an all-star?

Does being an All-Star mean you can manage?  If so, we could just make Harper a player-manager.  Or Papelbon:  he's been on six AS teams.  How is Matt Williams - with more AS appearances than Vidro - doing? How many All-Star games did Maddon make? Francona?

See how dumb that argument is?

[ExposFan87]

Does being an All-Star mean you can manage?  If so, we could just make Harper a player-manager.  Or Papelbon:  he's been on six AS teams.  How is Matt Williams - with more AS appearances than Vidro - doing? How many All-Star games did Maddon make? Francona?

See how dumb that argument is?

Matt Williams used steroids, but you make good points about Papelbon and Harper. I wouldn't be opposed to either.

[Elvir Ovcina]

Matt Williams used steroids, but you make good points about Papelbon and Harper. I wouldn't be opposed to either.

  I suppose by that logic we should probably hire Derek Jeter.  Lots of All-Star appearances.  No indication that he has any interest in or aptitude for managing, but heck, he'll even be in the Hall of Fame!

[ZimW1N]

If anyone is going to player/manage I would vote for Jayson Werth. If nothing else it would get him out of left field

[GburgNatsFan]

Highly skilled players at any position are often terrible managers. You need a guy that scuffled along on grit and determination, because most of the players he manages will be determination players.

Does being an All-Star mean you can manage?  If so, we could just make Harper a player-manager.  Or Papelbon:  he's been on six AS teams.  How is Matt Williams - with more AS appearances than Vidro - doing? How many All-Star games did Maddon make? Francona?

See how dumb that argument is?

[mitlen]

Highly skilled players at any position are often terrible managers. You need a guy that scuffled along on grit and determination, because most of the players he manages will be determination players.

FP?     

[Ray D]

Ripken can't give anybody any experience until someone gives him a shot at managing.

Ripken is unwilling to  put in the required work to learn to manage - i.e. manage at the minor league level.  He thinks he's owed a shot to manage straight at the MLB level.  So freak him.

[Mattionals]

There is a saying in Canada that those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Look, I understand being an Expos fan, since I am one. Just understand something about the Nationals. Outside of being relocated from Montreal, this team from top to bottom would much rather share its roots with the city of Washington D.C. than Montreal. It has been 10 years and there hasn't been one throwback Expos game. Not one. The ring of honor has more Washington players on it than Expos players. The bronze statues, say what you will about them, are all of ex Washington players. This team is aligned with it's city, and it's city's baseball heritage. I feel for you, but after Desmond is gone, there won't be any player that ever was an "OG Expo" left in the organization. If you came here to be a fan of a Montreal team, I'm afraid this isn't the place. Although my fan heritage of the Expos has led me here, I am a Nationals fan now, and even if a new team lands in Montreal, I won't be following.

Most here were fans of the old Nats teams of the 60s and 70s, or became fans when the team moved here and had nothing to do with the Expos. So that being said, no one really cares about a guy who was at the end of his career when baseball returned to the district. The fans here want a winner, and the Nats have tried the "manager with little to no experience" route with MW, and it's blowing up in their faces. Similar to how Ausmus is doing in Detroit, the Nats gambled on a guy who was a great player, but not a leader and his inabilities as a manager has led to the unraveling of the team he was given.

As for the times Dave Martinez has been "the bridesmaid" as you say:
 - The White Sox interviewed a guy who would be well received by the Chicago fans in Ventura
 - The Astros hired Porter because he was considered to be one of the best up and coming managers out there
 - Rick Renteria was hired since he was Bud Black's (considered to be a great manager) bench coach.

I think the reservations about the "Maddon technique" was if it was built well for just a place like Tampa, or if it would work in a big market. Now in Chicago, with a team of young guys who all need to be managed well, Joe is still striving and I bet that Martinez's stock couldn't be any higher.

[Ray D]

Jose Vidro is one of the franchise's all-time greats.

Rusty Staub for manager!

[Elvir Ovcina]

Highly skilled players at any position are often terrible managers. You need a guy that scuffled along on grit and determination, because most of the players he manages will be determination players.

I'm aware of that.  I was making a rhetorical point.

FP?     

At this point, we can just link to http://www.wnff.net/index.php?topic=32694.0 and have ourselves a field day.  Nats' 2016 manager: Nook Logan!

[UMDNats]

[mitlen]

Look, I understand being an Expos fan, since I am one. Just understand something about the Nationals. Outside of being relocated from Montreal, this team from top to bottom would much rather share its roots with the city of Washington D.C. than Montreal. It has been 10 years and there hasn't been one throwback Expos game. Not one. The ring of honor has more Washington players on it than Expos players. The bronze statues, say what you will about them, are all of ex Washington players. This team is aligned with it's city, and it's city's baseball heritage. I feel for you, but after Desmond is gone, there won't be any player that ever was an "OG Expo" left in the organization. If you came here to be a fan of a Montreal team, I'm afraid this isn't the place. Although my fan heritage of the Expos has led me here, I am a Nationals fan now, and even if a new team lands in Montreal, I won't be following.

Most here were fans of the old Nats teams of the 60s and 70s, or became fans when the team moved here and had nothing to do with the Expos. So that being said, no one really cares about a guy who was at the end of his career when baseball returned to the district. The fans here want a winner, and the Nats have tried the "manager with little to no experience" route with MW, and it's blowing up in their faces. Similar to how Ausmus is doing in Detroit, the Nats gambled on a guy who was a great player, but not a leader and his inabilities as a manager has led to the unraveling of the team he was given.

Excellent Mattionals  ....  something special.    Well written and rational.

[GburgNatsFan]

It might not seem like it, but I was backing up your unstated, rhetorical point.

I'm aware of that.  I was making a rhetorical point.

At this point, we can just link to http://www.wnff.net/index.php?topic=32694.0 and have ourselves a field day.  Nats' 2016 manager: Nook Logan!