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Offline Ray D

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #1575 on: September 04, 2015, 01:52:28 pm »
Everytime I hear about Williams being Manager of the Year in 2014 and a complete bust in 2015, I think of Jack Pardee.  He was coach of the year 1979 and a complete bust 1980 (and fired after the season). Fact is, Pardee was good in 1979 and stunk in 1980.   I think Williams was good in 2014 and stinks in 2015.  It isn't that strange.  Managers/coaches have different strengths and any one of them can excel in one situation and stink in another.
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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #1576 on: September 04, 2015, 02:20:59 pm »
Quote from: Ray D on September 04, 2015, 01:52:28 pm
Everytime I hear about Williams being Manager of the Year in 2014 and a complete bust in 2015, I think of Jack Pardee.  He was coach of the year 1979 and a complete bust 1980 (and fired after the season). Fact is, Pardee was good in 1979 and stunk in 1980.   I think Williams was good in 2014 and stinks in 2015.  It isn't that strange.  Managers/coaches have different strengths and any one of them can excel in one situation and stink in another.

remember the NL manager of the year in 2012?
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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #1577 on: September 04, 2015, 02:26:45 pm »
Quote from: Mr Clean on September 04, 2015, 01:41:39 pm
Jon Heyman says Nats owners considered firing Williams a few weeks ago.  http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/25290228/inside-baseball-managerial-heat-in-nl-east-especially-in-washington

While Rizzo apparently has remained a staunch booster of his hand-picked choice of manager out of almost nowhere from their Diamondbacks days, it is a chorus of one at this point.

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Offline DPMOmaha

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« Reply #1578 on: September 04, 2015, 02:29:23 pm »
It's articles like that that give me hope MW will be gone after this year barring some sort of uncharacteristic (for this season) run over the next month. I don't think it'll be Rizzo's decision. And me might choose to go with him, that wouldn't shock me if that happened, too.
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Offline sportsfan882

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« Reply #1579 on: September 04, 2015, 02:32:22 pm »
Shouldn't the GM have the final say over his own manager? Rizzo better change his tune fast.
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Offline DPMOmaha

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« Reply #1580 on: September 04, 2015, 02:34:37 pm »
Quote from: sportsfan882 on September 04, 2015, 02:32:22 pm
Shouldn't the GM have the final say over his own manager? Rizzo better change his tune fast.
Well, yes and no. Ultimately, the owner gets the final say if they've got a strong enough distaste for what's happening. I don't think that's uncommon. Ideally, the Owners and GM would be on the same page philosophically, and I think in large part, they are, but I could see a serious fissure develop on this topic.
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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #1581 on: September 04, 2015, 06:40:05 pm »
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Offline mitlen

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #1582 on: September 04, 2015, 06:43:03 pm »
Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on September 04, 2015, 06:40:05 pm
he who hesitates has losses.

I'm a diehard Nats' fan.   I believe and want them to win it all.   On the other hand, I think it's time for Williams to go.    If we win it all, Williams will stay.   If we don't, Williams may go.   
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Offline whytev

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« Reply #1583 on: September 04, 2015, 06:55:41 pm »
Quote from: mitlen on September 04, 2015, 06:43:03 pm
I'm a diehard Nats' fan.   I believe and want them to win it all.   On the other hand, I think it's time for Williams to go.    If we win it all, Williams will stay.   If we don't, Williams may go.   

If we win it all this year, he deserves to stay.
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Offline mitlen

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #1584 on: September 04, 2015, 06:56:27 pm »
Quote from: whytev on September 04, 2015, 06:55:41 pm
If we win it all this year, he deserves to stay.

I'm not so sure.   
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Offline whytev

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« Reply #1585 on: September 04, 2015, 06:57:23 pm »
Quote from: mitlen on September 04, 2015, 06:56:27 pm
I'm not so sure.   

If he can pull that rabbit out of a hat I'd give him next year and another option year!
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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #1586 on: September 04, 2015, 06:57:59 pm »
Quote from: whytev on September 04, 2015, 06:57:23 pm
If he can pull that rabbit out of a hat I'd give him next year and another option year!

The rabbit will appear despite him  ....   or he could be Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction.   :)
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Offline KnorrForYourMoney

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #1587 on: September 04, 2015, 06:58:38 pm »
Quote from: Ray D on September 04, 2015, 01:52:28 pm
Everytime I hear about Williams being Manager of the Year in 2014 and a complete bust in 2015, I think of Jack Pardee.  He was coach of the year 1979 and a complete bust 1980 (and fired after the season). Fact is, Pardee was good in 1979 and stunk in 1980.   I think Williams was good in 2014 and stinks in 2015.  It isn't that strange.  Managers/coaches have different strengths and any one of them can excel in one situation and stink in another.

He wasn't good in 2014.  He was the benefactor of circumstance.
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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #1588 on: September 04, 2015, 07:01:15 pm »
Quote from: KnorrForYourMoney on September 04, 2015, 06:58:38 pm
He wasn't good in 2014.  He was the benefactor of circumstance.

It shows us how good the 2014 team was.   It took Williams 'til the playoffs to f*** it up.
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Offline Mattionals

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« Reply #1589 on: September 04, 2015, 07:08:47 pm »
Ahem.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #1590 on: September 04, 2015, 07:49:35 pm »
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Offline BeltwayBaseball

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #1591 on: September 04, 2015, 09:47:33 pm »
The Matt Williams' Special: Take out lefty Felipe Rivero (.250 BAA, .549 OPS vs lefties) for righty Drew Storen (.282 BAA, .682 OPS vs lefties) with a series of hot lefties due up, including one of the most dangerous in the game, Freddie Freeman.

Even in a tie game or trailing using his best pitchers, even with all this beautiful urgency removing Tanner early, there's still the boneheadedness. If we had had Buck or Bochy this year we would be ten games up...and if we had 'em last year we would have won the World Series, if Bruce could do that with the crappile that was the Giants imagine what he could do with us.
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Offline whytev

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« Reply #1592 on: September 04, 2015, 09:58:24 pm »
Quote from: BeltwayBaseball on September 04, 2015, 09:47:33 pm
The Matt Williams' Special: Take out lefty Felipe Rivero (.250 BAA, .549 OPS vs lefties) for righty Drew Storen (.282 BAA, .682 OPS vs lefties) with a series of hot lefties due up, including one of the most dangerous in the game, Freddie Freeman.

Even in a tie game or trailing using his best pitchers, even with all this beautiful urgency removing Tanner early, there's still the boneheadedness. If we had had Buck or Bochy this year we would be ten games up...and if we had 'em last year we would have won the World Series, if Bruce could do that with the crappile that was the Giants imagine what he could do with us.

Whatever the pitcher's spot was up and Storen should be able to handle that spot. No objections.
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Offline imref

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #1593 on: September 04, 2015, 10:02:54 pm »
He had Desmond bunt. He's finally learning.
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Offline whytev

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #1594 on: September 04, 2015, 10:07:42 pm »
Quote from: imref on September 04, 2015, 10:02:54 pm
He had Desmond bunt. He's finally learning.

Matt Williams is managing the game of his life right now.
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Offline BeltwayBaseball

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #1595 on: September 04, 2015, 10:10:12 pm »
Quote from: whytev on September 04, 2015, 09:58:24 pm
Whatever the pitcher's spot was up and Storen should be able to handle that spot. No objections.

Storen has shown time and time again he can not handle lefties anything like he handles righties, especially lefty after lefty. And when they get hits, they're big ones. With Felipe killing it and the game headed for extras I'm almost inclined to leave him in there. If not, Solis and Grace are there for the lefties, I'm probably forgetting somebody (Thornton obviously already used) hopefully they don't let one get to second base, then you can bring in Storen for the righties.

But noooo, Storen is our 8th inning guy.
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Offline whytev

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« Reply #1596 on: September 04, 2015, 10:12:50 pm »
Quote from: BeltwayBaseball on September 04, 2015, 10:10:12 pm
Storen has shown time and time again he can not handle lefties anything like he handles righties. With Felipe killing it and the game headed for extras I'm almost inclined to leave him in there. If not, Solis and Grace are there for the lefties, hopefully they don't let one get to second base, then you can bring in Storen for the righties.

Not the worst argument, but as Bob pointed out, FF was career 0/11 going into that AB. I'll take 0/11 history with a closer over a LH rookie.
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Offline whytev

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« Reply #1597 on: September 04, 2015, 10:13:26 pm »
Quote from: BeltwayBaseball on September 04, 2015, 10:10:12 pm
Storen has shown time and time again he can not handle lefties anything like he handles righties, especially lefty after lefty. And when they get hits, they're big ones. With Felipe killing it and the game headed for extras I'm almost inclined to leave him in there. If not, Solis and Grace are there for the lefties, I'm probably forgetting somebody (Thornton obviously already used) hopefully they don't let one get to second base, then you can bring in Storen for the righties.

But noooo, Storen is our 8th inning guy.

I beat the ninja.
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Offline BeltwayBaseball

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #1598 on: September 04, 2015, 10:17:40 pm »
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Offline HattoriHanzo

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #1599 on: September 04, 2015, 10:37:33 pm »
I'd fired MW even if he won the world series. 
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