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Offline pazzo83

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« Reply #1803 on: September 08, 2015, 11:21:30 pm »
I won't rehash everything but the last 2 games should cost Williams his job alone.

Not pinch hitting for Max on Sunday (even had additional time to change his mind with the injury) and keeping the bunt on with Rendon (or just asking him to bunt at all) is beyond insanity.

It is time to move on. If Bob Melvin, Buck Showalter or quite a few others were managing this team, we would been World Series champions by now, I honestly believe that.

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« Reply #1804 on: September 08, 2015, 11:24:27 pm »
I won't rehash everything but the last 2 games should cost Williams his job alone.

Not pinch hitting for Max on Sunday (even had additional time to change his mind with the injury) and keeping the bunt on with Rendon (or just asking him to bunt at all) is beyond insanity.

It is time to move on. If Bob Melvin, Buck Showalter or quite a few others were managing this team, we would been World Series champions by now, I honestly believe that.

The reason the media heralds Rizzo is because the team looks so good on paper. It's up to the manager to help those players be all they can be and put them in the right situations, help a guy when he struggles, sit a guy when he needs rest, and so on. I fully believe you are right and this team would have won already with a good manager.

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« Reply #1805 on: September 08, 2015, 11:28:24 pm »
The team looks good on paper because everyone assumes health (can't predict injury is a pretty common pre-season refrain) even though the team is loaded with players who consistently end up on the dl

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« Reply #1806 on: September 08, 2015, 11:39:46 pm »
See ya MW:

Barry Svrluga ‏@barrysvrluga  3m3 minutes ago
(1/2) Mike Rizzo to me before the game on Matt Williams: “We have 25 games left. Matt Williams is our manager, and he’s going to lead us...

Barry Svrluga ‏@barrysvrluga  4m4 minutes ago
(2/2) ... through this stretch. I’ve always supported him. We’re not going to talk about 2016 while 2015 is ongoing.”

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #1807 on: September 08, 2015, 11:45:29 pm »
I won't rehash everything but the last 2 games should cost Williams his job alone.

Not pinch hitting for Max on Sunday (even had additional time to change his mind with the injury) and keeping the bunt on with Rendon (or just asking him to bunt at all) is beyond insanity.

It is time to move on. If Bob Melvin, Buck Showalter or quite a few others were managing this team, we would been World Series champions by now, I honestly believe that.

Williams is done but the roster needs a serious overhaul. Williams really doesn't have any good options in the late game. Whoever he chooses fails.

More a reflection on his ability to create an atmosphere of success than his decision making IMO.

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« Reply #1808 on: September 08, 2015, 11:48:06 pm »
The team looks good on paper because everyone assumes health (can't predict injury is a pretty common pre-season refrain) even though the team is loaded with players who consistently end up on the dl

The bench kept this team afloat, even with Matt at the helm, I guaran-damn-tee you with a better manager the Nats would have won, injuries included. The pen would have pitched better in April and a handful of losses in May and June, the Mets wouldn't have made the trades they did, Desmond probably would have sat more, and ultimately when they got healthy they would be rolling even better (no horrible 6-game lose streak, no horrible losses to AZ/COL, no horrible bullpen losses to Cardinals).

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« Reply #1809 on: September 08, 2015, 11:51:16 pm »
Maybe, but every manager this team has had has trotted out lineups that couldn't get a hit no matter what for decent stretches even in 2012 and 2014. When the starters all went to crap, the season was over, it just took us a while to realize it

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« Reply #1810 on: September 08, 2015, 11:54:57 pm »
Well, we've always been a pitching-first team. When the pitching falls apart, yeah, it's gonna be bad. We always had a stellar rotation and a pretty darn good lineup, but nothing like the Jays, for example. I prefer it that way, pitching is usually more stable, you never know when hitters are gonna go cold...like last October. At least we were "in it" all of those games, with the pitching this year we'd have been swept and it wouldn't have been close.

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« Reply #1811 on: September 09, 2015, 12:09:22 am »
Well, we've always been a pitching-first team. When the pitching falls apart, yeah, it's gonna be bad. We always had a stellar rotation and a pretty darn good lineup, but nothing like the Jays, for example. I prefer it that way, pitching is usually more stable, you never know when hitters are gonna go cold...like last October. At least we were "in it" all of those games, with the pitching this year we'd have been swept and it wouldn't have been close.

See I've always seen the offense as a problem, it's been SO frustrating hearing people say "oh we're in the top whatever in runs scored" yea we scored a ton in blowouts, that skewed the run total to not reflect our offense accurately-we could not manufacture runs when we needed to, we just couldn't.  I was pissed when we signed Scherzer, just thought really, another pitcher is the last thing we need.  I don't prefer to be pitching first; being pitching first has gotten us a whole lot of nothing so far :(  I think our offense needs an immense overhaul; bullpen as well but man, I'm so tired of not getting runs (tonight's game notwithstanding). 

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« Reply #1812 on: September 09, 2015, 12:11:23 am »
If you were to say, "who are the Nats best 4 relievers on the roster right now," you could make a case that Treinen, Rivero, Storen, and Papelbon are the guys.  As bad as MW has been, is there anything he could have done about the 7th?

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« Reply #1814 on: September 09, 2015, 12:20:14 am »
Here's video of Williams being booed.

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/nationals/williams-gets-booed-post-game-press-conference

Does he take the gum out of his mouth AFTER his freaking press conference? Loser :smh:

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« Reply #1815 on: September 09, 2015, 12:23:38 am »
If you were to say,o are the Nats best 4 relievers on the roster right now," you could make a case that Treinen, Rivero, Storen, and Papelbon are the guys.  As bad as MW has been, is there anything he could have done about the 7th?

He should have gone ot the mound and SCREAMED, "THROW STRIKES, DAMMIT!!!"

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« Reply #1816 on: September 09, 2015, 12:26:06 am »
If you were to say, "who are the Nats best 4 relievers on the roster right now," you could make a case that Treinen, Rivero, Storen, and Papelbon are the guys.  As bad as MW has been, is there anything he could have done about the 7th?

I didn't get to see the game but it does sound as though THIS loss was not on Williams, although Rendon bunting is still absurd :smh:

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« Reply #1817 on: September 09, 2015, 12:31:01 am »
Is Fister injured?  I would have much preferred watching Fister give up hits to give up the lead than what we saw tonight.  When you give up a hit, the defense has a chance to catch the damn ball!

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #1818 on: September 09, 2015, 12:35:20 am »
I hate MW as much as the next guy, but this loss is more on every of one of those relievers.   I like Rivero, but I think he's two years away from being where the team needs him to be.  He's too young and can't throw strikes. 

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« Reply #1819 on: September 09, 2015, 12:36:39 am »
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Fans booed Matt Williams from the Presidents Club as he ended his presser. That's a first.

He was loudly boo'd when pulling Zim early.  Having Rendon bunt in the 9th seemed questionable.  Having him bunt on a 3-1 count is criminal. 

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« Reply #1820 on: September 09, 2015, 12:37:08 am »
I hate MW as much as the next guy, but this loss is more on every of one of those relievers.   I like Rivero, but I think he's two years away from being where the team needs him to be.  He's too young and can't throw strikes. 

Undeniably true. 

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« Reply #1821 on: September 09, 2015, 12:37:48 am »
See I've always seen the offense as a problem, it's been SO frustrating hearing people say "oh we're in the top whatever in runs scored" yea we scored a ton in blowouts, that skewed the run total to not reflect our offense accurately-we could not manufacture runs when we needed to, we just couldn't.  I was pissed when we signed Scherzer, just thought really, another pitcher is the last thing we need.  I don't prefer to be pitching first; being pitching first has gotten us a whole lot of nothing so far :(  I think our offense needs an immense overhaul; bullpen as well but man, I'm so tired of not getting runs (tonight's game notwithstanding).

This is what I don't get. The Nats are stuck with Zimmerman and Werth, for better or more likely worse. Going into 2015, they were expecting to have an OF consisting of Wert, Span, and Harper left to right. Desmond was their SS, regardless if you believe they tried to trade him or not. Zimmerman was the everyday 1B. Rendon was going to play either 2B or 3B. Ramos was supposed to "break out" at Catcher and Lobaton was a quality backup. Espinosa was the backup MI. They assumed guys like McLouth would be healthy and back to fill the bench. They opened up the last bench spot for a guy like Robinson or Carp to step into. Then the big change to the offense was acquiring Escobar.

Overall, that limits improving the offense, and Escobar turned out to be a stellar surprise as did Robinson. The unfortunate rash of injuries plagued the team, even the inevitable Zimmerman one, but the backups were in place and honestly, the Nats stayed afloat during that time. Come trade deadline, Rizzo betted on returns from those guys that are supposed to put up those stats. They didn't, and the deadline looks horrendous now because the only move he made to help the offense was zilch.

Say what you will about Scherzer, especially now, but I think he is just going through something right now and he is too good to continue to get hit this hard. I'm not sure how anyone can make a move for someone like Cespedes and expect that there was enough playing time to go around for everyone once they got off the DL. He gambled and gambled wrong, and I can't totally fault him for that. The Mets knew they had a crap offense and had a chance to pull ahead. The Nats situtation was much less clear, and many smart baseball people backed Rizzo's decisions, or at least that is what MLB Network Radio has led me to believe.

Overall, if he loses his job, it's going to be because he is pig headed for trying to hold onto Williams. I don't think anyone can really gripe about his roster construction, and there is always the factor that with a manager better suited to get the most out of the roster that this team wouldn't be 10 games ahead right now.

I'm with Omaha. It's time for a little shakeup, but not a fire sale. Desmond is gone next year and replaced by Turner. I would capitalize on Escobar's career year and flip him for some prospect. Span is gone, but Taylor is showing that he can definitely hang in CF. Rendon needs to go back to 3B so there is a quality defender there. Turner should start at 2B if his arm isn't strong enough for SS, and either capitalize on Espinosa at SS or look elsewhere. Catcher needs to be upgraded and Ramos needs to be gone. I'm not sure how crazy I am with getting Weiters given how he looks now, but he is still an upgrade both offensively and defensively.

Main thing is to rid the team of MW and the rest of the coaching staff and start new. Find a guy who is more capable of motivating and understanding his players and the advanced game that baseball has turned into.


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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #1822 on: September 09, 2015, 12:41:39 am »
This was a lost season and Rizzo didn't see it.  Now he's going to pay for holding on to  all of those expiring FAs.  He should have played it like a nhl gm that trades any player, even it's star players if they don't have an extension in place.  The nats could have had assets for JZimm, Fister, and Desi.

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« Reply #1823 on: September 09, 2015, 12:46:06 am »
"Everyone tweeting me why Matt Williams does what he does- nobody knows. He is playing checkers…no he’s not even playing checkers. Terry Collins is playing checkers, Matt Williams isn’t even playing a game. He’s doing a season-long make-a-wish where they let Forrest Gump manage a major league baseball team."

http://www.barstoolsports.com/dmv/meltdown/