Author Topic: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision. (Read 159938 times)

imref · « **Reply #1900 on:** September 09, 2015, 10:48:24 pm »

Quote from: pazzo83 on September 09, 2015, 10:44:55 pm

What about Fister?

in his last 7 appearances Fister has put up a 4.76 ERA, granted he's only pitched twice in the last 10 days or so I wonder if he's dealing with an injury of some sort.

Cinqo de Mayo · « **Reply #1901 on:** September 09, 2015, 10:50:20 pm »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on September 09, 2015, 10:41:23 pm

He should have been gone weeks ago. He'll be here through the end of the regular season, that much is clear.

I fully expected him to be fired right after the last road trip.

HattoriHanzo · « **Reply #1902 on:** September 09, 2015, 10:51:50 pm »

With so many baseball people using advanced stats, Williams should know not to go with a righty against cespedes. The nats need a sabermetric manager and someone who has a good feel for the game. Anyone can make a lineup and players at the major league level do not need coaching as other sports require. Managers are basically paid to make adjustments to win games and MW just can't do it. Let someone else give him another chance, but do not bring him back next year. I will not watch nats baseball games next year if they do. It's not good to be this pissed at sports seemingly everyday. My hate for rizzo, mw, and storen is through the roof.

BrandonK · « **Reply #1903 on:** September 09, 2015, 11:25:27 pm »

He has info we just don't have.

ZIM4MVP · « **Reply #1904 on:** September 09, 2015, 11:29:14 pm »

Quote from: HattoriHanzo on September 09, 2015, 10:51:50 pm

The nats need a sabermetric manager and someone who has a good feel for the game

That's the problem you either find one or the other. Bigger problem is that we found neither

HattoriHanzo · « **Reply #1905 on:** September 09, 2015, 11:36:02 pm »

Quote from: ZIM4MVP on September 09, 2015, 11:29:14 pm

That's the problem you either find one or the other. Bigger problem is that we found neither

Brian Kenny is a sabermetric nut. Hire him. lol. I do enjoy all of the advanced stats talk on mlb now.

wpa2629 · « **Reply #1906 on:** September 09, 2015, 11:38:48 pm »

Quote from: HattoriHanzo on September 09, 2015, 11:36:02 pm

Brian Kenny is a sabermetric nut. Hire him. lol. I do enjoy all of the advanced stats talk on mlb now.

There are some things that MW does well - it's his bullpen and situational management tho that is beyond repair

Maybe a stronger bench coach?

Meh - there's no way he can come back and still command a room though. They're going to have to can him. Maybe there's an MLB version of Barry Trotz out there we can bring in - that would be ok

Mattionals · « **Reply #1907 on:** September 09, 2015, 11:42:55 pm »

Quote from: wpa2629 on September 09, 2015, 11:38:48 pm

There are some things that MW does well - it's his bullpen and situational management tho that is beyond repair

Maybe a stronger bench coach?

Meh - there's no way he can come back and still command a room though. They're going to have to can him. Maybe there's an MLB version of Barry Trotz out there we can bring in - that would be ok

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ExposFan87 · « **Reply #1908 on:** September 10, 2015, 12:00:35 am »

So nobody here believes in second chances?

Haven't you seen You've Got Mail?

imref · « **Reply #1909 on:** September 10, 2015, 12:00:55 am »

Quote from: HattoriHanzo on September 09, 2015, 11:36:02 pm

Brian Kenny is a sabermetric nut. Hire him. lol. I do enjoy all of the advanced stats talk on mlb now.

Uh, isn't manny acta big into sabermetrics?

BeltwayBaseball · « **Reply #1910 on:** September 10, 2015, 12:25:54 am »

Quote from: ZIM4MVP on September 09, 2015, 11:29:14 pm

That's the problem you either find one or the other. Bigger problem is that we found neither

Joe Maddon has both and I think it's fair to say Buck Showalter does too, he just won't admit how many/which stats he looks at. Does Bruce Bochy like sabermetrics or at least respect the idea of advanced statistics? Matheny, Williams, Mattingly and Scioscia seem to have a disdain like they're trying to be know-nothings to prove they're "gutty" and old fashioned or something. Terry Collins too, actually, he is one dumb sumnag and I fully, fully expect him to blow it in the playoffs, or make the wrong move and fall ass-backwards into success when somebody flails or pops up on a pitch down the middle, etc, saving Terry from looking like an idiot because he got the results against the odds.

ExposFan87 · « **Reply #1911 on:** September 10, 2015, 12:31:04 am »

Jose Vidro is a sabre metric nut. He had 6 straight 59+ RBI seasons.

BeltwayBaseball · « **Reply #1912 on:** September 10, 2015, 12:32:54 am »

Oh, also, we won't be getting Melvin because the Athletics extended him, not sure if anybody already said that. I didn't like him, after that trainwreck collapse last year, but eh, couldn't be worse than Williams right now right?

ZimW1N · « **Reply #1913 on:** September 10, 2015, 12:34:28 am »

Quote from: ExposFan87 on September 10, 2015, 12:31:04 am

Jose Vidro is a sabre metric nut. He had 6 straight 59+ RBI seasons.

Enough about Jose Vidro dude. Hes a bad choice and you should feel bad for wanting him.

ExposFan87 · « **Reply #1914 on:** September 10, 2015, 12:41:21 am »

Quote from: ZimW1N on September 10, 2015, 12:34:28 am

Enough about Jose Vidro dude. Hes a bad choice and you should feel bad for wanting him.

I looked this up and the results speak for themselves.

Total career RBI:

Jose Vidro - 654
Bruce Bochy - 93
Joe Maddon - 0
Buck Showalter - 0

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1915 on:** September 10, 2015, 12:42:24 am »

Quote from: ExposFan87 on September 10, 2015, 12:31:04 am

Jose Vidro is a sabre metric nut. He had 6 straight 59+ RBI seasons.

ZimW1N · « **Reply #1916 on:** September 10, 2015, 01:13:59 am »

Quote from: ExposFan87 on September 10, 2015, 12:41:21 am

I looked this up and the results speak for themselves.

Total career RBI:

Jose Vidro - 654
Bruce Bochy - 93
Joe Maddon - 0
Buck Showalter - 0

Frank Robinson -- 1812
Matt Williams -- 1218
Jayson Werth -- 689 (and counting)
ZimW1n -- 0

HattoriHanzo · « **Reply #1917 on:** September 10, 2015, 04:44:17 am »

Roeneke, Maddon, and Black are all sabermetric guys I believe yet they are all from the coaching tree of the old school gut manager that is Mike Scioscia. Maybe it's because by the time all 3 got their chance, sabermetrics had invaded every front office? All I know is that MW needs to go. He might do well somewhere else, but he is clearly done with this franchise. Or I hope that the Lerner's are smart enough to give him the axe. Rizzo should be shown the door too. He's done well, but he's also been too confident and didn't hit the panic button and made trades when he should have if he just looked at the standings.

OldChelsea · « **Reply #1918 on:** September 10, 2015, 08:00:33 am »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on September 09, 2015, 10:12:43 pm

Were there boos? Please tell me there were boos.

Didn't hear much in the way of boos (on the radio broadcast) but there sure was a lot of cheering for the Mets (in a ballpark that, for the second straight night, was just 2/3 subscribed).

GMUTrkstar · « **Reply #1919 on:** September 10, 2015, 08:53:27 am »

A fan has started a petition: https://www.change.org/p/mark-lerner-dear-nationals-fire-matt-williams?recruiter=61662001&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=share_twitter_responsive

Also theres a twitter handle for Fire MW: https://twitter.com/firemwilliams

wpa2629 · « **Reply #1920 on:** September 10, 2015, 10:11:56 am »

Meh it will be done soon enough

No need for a petition

Five Banners · « **Reply #1921 on:** September 10, 2015, 10:38:52 am »

He did do outstanding work in terms of setting the starting rotation (if only the Mets starting rotation with their ability to rest Harvey now).

Five Banners · « **Reply #1922 on:** September 10, 2015, 10:40:13 am »

Quote from: wpa2629 on September 10, 2015, 10:11:56 am

Meh it will be done soon

That's the problem, they didn't do it soon enough and wasted a prime season in Caps-like style...

wpa2629 · « **Reply #1923 on:** September 10, 2015, 10:41:26 am »

Quote from: Five Banners on September 10, 2015, 10:40:13 am

That's the problem, they didn't do it soon enough and wasted a prime season in Caps-like style...

I don't think a mid-year new manager makes this team any more of a title contender than they are now

BuckyHarris · « **Reply #1924 on:** September 10, 2015, 11:07:37 am »

Quote from: Five Banners on September 10, 2015, 10:40:13 am

That's the problem, they didn't do it soon enough and wasted a prime season in Caps-like style...

Was it really prime, though? What did we have, 2, 3 games with 8 regulars in place? MW is what he is, no question; but the DL run rampant didn't help. And not just with the Nats.