Author Topic: Nationals new 1B discussion (Read 75774 times)

PatsNats28 · « **Reply #1600 on:** January 03, 2011, 10:08:28 pm »

Oh yeah, it's just wRAA.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1601 on:** January 03, 2011, 10:12:29 pm »

wRC

(139 + 138) = 277 Dunn + Hammer
(150 + 107) = 257 Werth + LaRoche

Still not seeing that FAR superior offensive side of Werth + LaRoche

RD · « **Reply #1602 on:** January 03, 2011, 10:13:30 pm »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on January 03, 2011, 10:00:14 pm

Hmm, sure is a FAR superior upgrade on offense, isn't?

Apparently, I have to repeat it for you.

FAR superior. Absolutely.

As all around players.

I never said they were far superior offensively. In fact, I stated that I think they are only slightly better, but for arguments sake, will say they are pretty much equal offensively.

When you consider the upgrade defensively, yes, the new guys are far superior. Far superior all around players.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1603 on:** January 03, 2011, 10:16:31 pm »

They're not equal offensively. I've already proved that.

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #1604 on:** January 03, 2011, 10:20:00 pm »

Either my fantasy trade idea was really that bad, or you all are just that dorky.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1605 on:** January 03, 2011, 10:20:44 pm »

Hell Werth was even considered a worse OF'er than Hammer in 2010.

Hammer -4.4 UZR/-6.8 UZR/150
Werth -6.9 UZR/-7.2 UZR/150

JMW IV · « **Reply #1606 on:** January 03, 2011, 10:21:54 pm »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on January 03, 2011, 10:16:31 pm

They're not equal offensively. I've already proved that.

They are slightly worse, according to your stats.

They *ARE* superior defensively.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1607 on:** January 03, 2011, 10:25:55 pm »

Werth and LaRoche are superior at one thing... and that's filling out a uniform.

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #1608 on:** January 03, 2011, 10:26:01 pm »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on January 03, 2011, 10:20:44 pm

Hell Werth was even considered a worse OF'er than Hammer in 2010.

Hammer -4.4 UZR/-6.8 UZR/150
Werth -6.9 UZR/-7.2 UZR/150

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1609 on:** January 03, 2011, 10:27:01 pm »

By the way... why the hell couldn't the Nats have kept Dunn, Hammer and ADDED Werth?

Is it really that hard to do?

hammondsnats · « **Reply #1610 on:** January 03, 2011, 10:32:33 pm »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on January 03, 2011, 10:27:01 pm

By the way... why the hell couldn't the Nats have kept Dunn, Hammer and ADDED Werth?

Is it really that hard to do?

I've asked that time after time and get yelled at with this response:

"Stop living in the past" ... "they weren't part of the future" ... etc.

But at this point, just sign laroche and add starting pitcher and let's play baseball.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #1611 on:** January 03, 2011, 10:33:48 pm »

Linty - Willingham even hit RIGHTIES better than LaRoche last year - .264 / .382 / .446 - .365 wOBA vs. .259 / .331 / .471 - .346 wOBA.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1612 on:** January 03, 2011, 10:36:14 pm »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on January 03, 2011, 10:33:48 pm

Linty - Willingham even hit RIGHTIES better than LaRoche last year - .264 / .382 / .446 - .365 wOBA vs. .259 / .331 / .471 - .346 wOBA.

Well, I hope LaRoche can bounce back then.

Tired of being negative about the roster.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #1613 on:** January 03, 2011, 10:37:42 pm »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on January 03, 2011, 10:36:14 pm

Well, I hope LaRoche can bounce back then.

Tired of being negative about the roster.

This was LaRoche's best year.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1614 on:** January 03, 2011, 10:37:53 pm »

Oh.

PANatsFan · « **Reply #1615 on:** January 03, 2011, 10:54:49 pm »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on January 03, 2011, 10:20:44 pm

Hell Werth was even considered a worse OF'er than Hammer in 2010.

Hammer -4.4 UZR/-6.8 UZR/150
Werth -6.9 UZR/-7.2 UZR/150

Hammer plays left, is there a positional adjustment?

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1616 on:** January 03, 2011, 10:59:46 pm »

Quote from: PANatsFan on January 03, 2011, 10:54:49 pm

Hammer plays left, is there a positional adjustment?

Nope... LF/RF consider the same position in terms of positional adjustment within WAR.

JMW IV · « **Reply #1617 on:** January 03, 2011, 11:12:52 pm »

My bet is on the table.

We win more games in 2011 with Werth and Laroche than we did in 2009 or 2010 with Dunn and Willingham.

Regardless of whether we sign a FA pitcher or not.

Coladar · « **Reply #1618 on:** January 03, 2011, 11:18:35 pm »

Quote from: JMW IV on January 03, 2011, 11:12:52 pm

My bet is on the table.

We win more games in 2011 with Werth and Laroche than we did in 2009 or 2010 with Dunn and Willingham.

Regardless of whether we sign a FA pitcher or not.

I'd say the odds right now are 50-50 you're right. It's far from a sure thing at this point in time.

PANatsFan · « **Reply #1619 on:** January 03, 2011, 11:28:06 pm »

I think .500 is in reach with LaRoche and a starter.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1620 on:** January 03, 2011, 11:29:04 pm »

Quote from: PANatsFan on January 03, 2011, 11:28:06 pm

I think .500 is in reach with LaRoche and a starter.

Without a starting pitcher... I think we're worse than last year. Too many missing pieces.

Bullpen regresses (just because they all had career years last year)
Livo regresses
Espinosa has down year due to no power
Morse doesn't repeat career year
Bernadina proves to be unreliable in LF

Etc. etc.

I think the line between average and bad for the 2011 Nationals will be super thin.

Hopefully everything goes right, and they do improve. Sure would make things a lot more fun.

Nathan · « **Reply #1621 on:** January 03, 2011, 11:35:12 pm »

Losing hammer wasn't as big as losing Dunn, IMO. Morse/bernadina/Werth > Hammer/Morgan/Bernadina or Morse. Mindfact.

JMW IV · « **Reply #1622 on:** January 03, 2011, 11:51:53 pm »

I think morse can equal or better willingham's offensive production if given a full season as a starter.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1623 on:** January 03, 2011, 11:53:09 pm »

I'll be really interested to see how Mike reacts to a full year of breaking balls and scouting reports tailored to his approach.

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #1624 on:** January 04, 2011, 12:30:43 am »

Quote from: Strasburg37 on January 04, 2011, 12:05:27 am

Obviously we can't give LaRoche whatever he wants, but this process has been ridiculously long and it's time to get a deal done. I want to see him signed tomorrow so we can completely focus on starting pitching from here on out.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to be too rude here, but I honestly don't see what difference it makes if we sign him tomorrow or on February 10. It's not like we're in on 20 guys and waiting to see which one bites. At this point it's basically down to LaRoche and Pavano. I'm sure there are other trade and conversations we're not privy too, but I really doubt the LaRoche conversations are taking away from other deals. I think it's more on LaRoche at this point than anything else at this point anyway.