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Offline Evolution33

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1700 on: January 04, 2011, 03:47:49 pm »
2010 Dunn .379 wOBA
2010 LaRoche .339 wOBA

Like I said they don't even compare.
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Offline PatsNats28

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1701 on: January 04, 2011, 03:49:01 pm »
Quote from: Evolution33 on January 04, 2011, 03:47:49 pm
2010 Dunn .379 wOBA
2010 LaRoche .339 wOBA

Like I said they don't even compare.

No one is saying that they're equal offensively. What I'm hearing is that while Dunn + Hammer > Werth + LaRoche offensively, Dunn + Hammer <<< Werth + LaRoche defensively.
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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1702 on: January 04, 2011, 03:49:55 pm »
Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on January 04, 2011, 03:44:53 pm
I don't know how it's calculated... all I know is Dunn killed LaRoche in wRAA (wOBA translated into runs, I believe) (30.2 - 5.4) or something crazy like that.

wOBA
Dunn .379
LaRoche .339

wRAA
Dunn 30.2
LaRoche 5.4

wRC
Dunn 139
LaRoche 107

I forgot what it all means... but, I do know that it's not a fair fight.

wRAA is translated into runs above average from wOBA. wRC is the same idea, except on an OPS+ scale (100 is average).

EDIT: Sorry, I was thinking of wRC+ (which is also park adjusted). Regular wRC is just total runs created from wOBA.
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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1703 on: January 04, 2011, 03:52:31 pm »
Quote from: PatsNats28 on January 04, 2011, 03:49:01 pm
No one is saying that they're equal offensively. What I'm hearing is that while Dunn + Hammer > Werth + LaRoche offensively, Dunn + Hammer <<< Werth + LaRoche defensively.
It needs to be factored in that the odds of Willingham staying injury free are basically non-existent.
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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1704 on: January 04, 2011, 03:56:30 pm »
Quote from: PatsNats28 on January 04, 2011, 03:49:01 pm
No one is saying that they're equal offensively. What I'm hearing is that while Dunn + Hammer > Werth + LaRoche offensively, Dunn + Hammer <<< Werth + LaRoche defensively.

I think if you take everything into account then Werth+LaRoche could equal out in WAR to Dunn+Hammer, but it won't be comparable as Dunn and Willingham will likely be able to put up better WAR in the AL by not playing defense as often and by being able to play more games and rest sore body parts by DHing. I would have prefered the team to keep Dunn, but they didn't and I don't like to harp on things.
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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1705 on: January 04, 2011, 04:24:34 pm »
Anyone see that the O's just picked up a closer?  Excellent...
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Offline Evolution33

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1706 on: January 04, 2011, 04:30:03 pm »
Quote from: MarquisDeSade on January 04, 2011, 04:24:34 pm
Anyone see that the O's just picked up a closer?  Excellent...

They picked up Kevin Gregg. I would consider him the same type of closer as Mike Gonzalez. Meaning he is more likely to close the game with a walk-off win for the opposing team.
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Offline blue911

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1707 on: January 04, 2011, 04:35:03 pm »
Quote from: Evolution33 on January 04, 2011, 04:30:03 pm
They picked up Kevin Gregg. I would consider him the same type of closer as Mike Gonzalez. Meaning he is more likely to close the game with a walk-off win for the opposing team.

NatsAddict's favorite closer  :lol:
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Offline MarquisDeSade

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1708 on: January 04, 2011, 04:43:20 pm »
Quote from: Evolution33 on January 04, 2011, 04:30:03 pm
They picked up Kevin Gregg. I would consider him the same type of closer as Mike Gonzalez. Meaning he is more likely to close the game with a walk-off win for the opposing team.

Hey leave George Sherrill out of this!
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Offline tomterp

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1709 on: January 04, 2011, 04:44:42 pm »
Quote from: MarquisDeSade on January 04, 2011, 04:43:20 pm
Hey leave George Sherrill out of this!

At least Sherrill had good (Chief-like) taste in hat styles.
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Offline Tyler Durden

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1710 on: January 04, 2011, 05:27:21 pm »
Gregg's contract has a vesting option that could take it to 3 yrs and 16-20 million.

Orioles suck so bad. 
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Offline hammondsnats

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1711 on: January 04, 2011, 06:09:22 pm »
Quote from: Tyler Durden on January 04, 2011, 05:27:21 pm
Gregg's contract has a vesting option that could take it to 3 yrs and 16-20 million.

Orioles suck so bad.  

gregg isn't bad.  his numbers recently will prove that.

i would take him on our team :crazy:
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Offline blue911

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1712 on: January 04, 2011, 06:10:29 pm »
Quote from: hammondsnats on January 04, 2011, 06:09:22 pm
gregg isn't bad. 

You said the same thing about the Crab.   :run:
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Offline daveb32

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1713 on: January 04, 2011, 06:18:33 pm »
Quote from: Tyler Durden on January 04, 2011, 05:27:21 pm
Gregg's contract has a vesting option that could take it to 3 yrs and 16-20 million.

Orioles suck so bad. 

Panic move to replace their fugitive set up man.
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Offline hammondsnats

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1714 on: January 04, 2011, 07:15:28 pm »
Quote from: blue911 on January 04, 2011, 06:10:29 pm
You said the same thing about the Crab.   :run:

i said crab had potential.  and he was awful for the nats another i admitted.

as for gregg, he's been solid over the last few numbers ... once again ... look at his numbers.
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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1715 on: January 04, 2011, 07:21:24 pm »
Quote from: hammondsnats on January 04, 2011, 07:15:28 pm
i said crab had potential.  and he was awful for the nats another i admitted.

as for gregg, he's been solid over the last few numbers ... once again ... look at his numbers.

Just stop it.  You've gone way too far.

Numbers can lie.  Kevin Gregg SUCKS as a closer. 
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Offline KnorrForYourMoney

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1716 on: January 04, 2011, 07:30:27 pm »
Actually, depending on which numbers you use, Gregg is really unspectacular as a closer.  WHIP and ERA+ aren't very good.
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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1717 on: January 04, 2011, 07:39:51 pm »
Quote from: blue911 on January 04, 2011, 06:10:29 pm
You said the same thing about the Crab.   :run:

:lmao:  I had totally forgotten about that. There was something about Cabrera that hammonds was attracted to.

Quote from: hammondsnats on December 20, 2008, 08:21:29 pm
The sun is reporting the contract as a 1yr/$2.6 million deal.  Aside from me being a huge lifelong D-Cab fan, I'm really liking this deal for the Nats.  Not that big of a risk, with potential of a very high reward.
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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1718 on: January 04, 2011, 07:41:33 pm »
LaRoche, Nats agree to deal per mlbtr.com
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Offline Nathan

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1719 on: January 04, 2011, 07:41:49 pm »
Peter Gammons:

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Look for Adam LaRoche @ Reagan Airport for Thursday physical, 2 year deal w/ aggressive Nats
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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1720 on: January 04, 2011, 08:05:41 pm »
FINALLY!!!

Lock thread.
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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1721 on: January 04, 2011, 08:09:58 pm »
Quote from: spidernat on January 04, 2011, 07:39:51 pm
:lmao:  I had totally forgotten about that. There was something about Cabrera that hammonds was attracted to.


yeah you loser.  i said potential.  how hard is it to understand?
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Offline blue911

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1722 on: January 04, 2011, 08:19:20 pm »
Quote from: hammondsnats on January 04, 2011, 08:09:58 pm
yeah you loser.  i said potential.  how hard is it to understand?

You said you loved him and wore Crab pj's to bed. Mindfact.
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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1723 on: January 04, 2011, 08:20:11 pm »
Quote from: blue911 on January 04, 2011, 08:19:20 pm
You said you loved him and wore Crab pj's to bed. Mindfact.

GTFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  8)
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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1724 on: January 04, 2011, 09:53:47 pm »
Quote from: spidernat on January 04, 2011, 07:39:51 pm
:lmao:  I had totally forgotten about that. There was something about Cabrera that hammonds was attracted to.



I wonder what?     :shrug:

Hammonds --->    :worship:      
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