Author Topic: One RF thread to rule them all (Read 22846 times)

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #200 on:** April 17, 2010, 10:53:21 am »

the pick off wasn't pretty, but harris got on 2 out of the 4 times he was up.

PANatsFan · « **Reply #201 on:** April 17, 2010, 07:59:17 pm »

Justin Maxwell. Give him a good solid run of starts.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #202 on:** April 17, 2010, 08:34:35 pm »

Quote from: PANatsFan on April 17, 2010, 07:59:17 pm

Justin Maxwell. Give him a good solid run of starts.

I've checked this few times, because I've goofed this up before, but I think the guy he hit his homer off of was a lefty (Wolf). That was his left arm he was throwing with, correct? Isn't that the whole idea of a platoon?

Let me flip this around - who out there thinks Maxwell will do better against righties than Willie H? Harris has been a > .355 OBP guy the past 3 years with nearly 1000 PAs against RHP. He's SLG'd over .400 each year. Who out there thinks Max's OPS against righties would be over .750? Who thinks he could maintain that over 300 plate appearances?

PANatsFan · « **Reply #203 on:** April 17, 2010, 08:48:39 pm »

Check Christina's piece on the matter. Maxwell will be a good platoon guy. No doubt about it. But what if he can be a star player, or a Willingham level player? Let's find out. Willie Harris will be there.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #204 on:** April 17, 2010, 08:53:37 pm »

I just think you start small. Platoon him for a few months. Then, if he's tearing the cover off the ball, start giving him chances to start v RHP when you give Willingham or Zimmerman a day off (Willie moving over). Eventually, if we drop out of contention, Harris gets traded as bench strength. If J-Max is cutting it by then, you'll see what you have.

PANatsFan · « **Reply #205 on:** April 17, 2010, 08:57:05 pm »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on April 17, 2010, 08:53:37 pm

I just think you start small. Platoon him for a few months. Then, if he's tearing the cover off the ball, start giving him chances to start v RHP when you give Willingham or Zimmerman a day off (Willie moving over). Eventually, if we drop out of contention, Harris gets traded as bench strength. If J-Max is cutting it by then, you'll see what you have.

Christina was worried about the ego of the prospect. Platooning him is a demotion . . .

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #206 on:** April 17, 2010, 09:05:39 pm »

Quote from: PANatsFan on April 17, 2010, 08:57:05 pm

Christina was worried about the ego of the prospect. Platooning him is a demotion . . .

Well, I'll trust the team to have an idea about his psyche at this point in his career. Certainly, ROY/MVP types have had a slow start, so maybe she is right. But for others, I think you look for a chance for the guy to succeed.

And, by the way, I take it you'd not be expecting better performance out of Max alone than a Max / Harris platoon.

PANatsFan · « **Reply #207 on:** April 17, 2010, 09:08:31 pm »

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Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on April 17, 2010, 09:05:39 pm

And, by the way, I take it you'd not be expecting better performance out of Max alone than a Max / Harris platoon.

If it were possible, every team would have a platoon at all 3 outfield positions. But there has to be a value in an everyday guy, too. I want to see his power develop, and the starter rarely goes 9 innings. If they are a suitable platoon, great.

tomterp · « **Reply #208 on:** April 17, 2010, 10:03:12 pm »

Quote from: cmdterps44 on April 17, 2010, 02:37:36 am

If we throw Maxwell and Harris out there every game its kind of pointless IMO when we could have someone that contributes alot more. Willingham for 2011 IN LF!!

J-Max was getting it done today. Slick D, and had a little pop.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #209 on:** April 18, 2010, 11:59:33 am »

Quote from: PANatsFan on April 17, 2010, 09:08:31 pm

If it were possible, every team would have a platoon at all 3 outfield positions. But there has to be a value in an everyday guy, too. I want to see his power develop, and the starter rarely goes 9 innings. If they are a suitable platoon, great.

I don't think so. It all depends on your personnel. You only have a limited number of roster spots, so I don't think carrying 6 OFs simply to platoon makes sense. However, it does help where your 3d and 4th OFs show big splits (certainly Willie does) and you can take advantage of those splits to get above average play out of a combination that is, individually, average, below average, or limited in durability. A guy like Willingham hits righties very well. You would not platoon him. Morgan is so good defensively that you keep him out there most every day, but I'll bet that when he does get a day off, it'll be against a tough lefty and Taveras will be out there.

Quote from: tomterp on April 17, 2010, 10:03:12 pm

J-Max was getting it done today. Slick D, and had a little pop.

Very happy too. I want to see him work out.

I'll admit I'm coming at this to maximize short term performance. I can see the argument that, this team is going nowhere, that 65 - 70 wins would be the right direction, that we need to see if J-Max is the next Mike Cameron or Jason Werth, and that we will not know until we try.

I/M/O, I think a Willie H / J-Max platoon will be worth 10 - 15 runs above average, produce 0 - 5 runs above average, and end up being worth about 3 - 4 WAR. That is very good. Among NL RFs in 2009, Only Upton and Werth produced more than that individually.

PANatsFan · « **Reply #210 on:** April 18, 2010, 12:00:45 pm »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on April 18, 2010, 11:59:33 am

I don't think so. It all depends on your personnel. You only have a limited number of roster spots, so I don't think carrying 6 OFs simply to platoon makes sense.

Hence, "if it were possible."

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #211 on:** April 28, 2010, 08:54:13 pm »

Boil Lidslick says that the new RF platoon will be the young'ens -the Bernie Max Show. Harris reverts to his former role as SuperWillie, flying in to rescue positions in need of a true American hero. Needless to say, my signature line objects.

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The Nationals have a new platoon system in right field. Manager Jim Riggleman announced Wednesday that Roger Bernadina and Justin Maxwell will split the duties, while Willie Harris and Willy Taveras will go back on the bench.

Riggleman went so far as to say that he wants Bernadina or Maxwell to one day take over the position on a regular basis. With the Nats facing four right-handed starters the next four games, including Wednesday's contest against the Cubs, Bernadina will get the starts.

imref · « **Reply #212 on:** April 28, 2010, 09:06:33 pm »

Roger looked pretty good today, especially on that throw to 3rd. Hopefully one of those guys steps up.

The Chief · « **Reply #213 on:** April 28, 2010, 09:10:50 pm »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on April 28, 2010, 08:54:13 pm

Boil Lidslick says that the new RF platoon will be the young'ens -the Bernie Max Show. Harris reverts to his former role as SuperWillie, flying in to rescue positions in need of a true American hero. Needless to say, my signature line objects.

Willie won't complain. He'll always be there when America needs him.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #214 on:** April 28, 2010, 09:44:14 pm »

If I liked Harris in right for his defense, then I can't have a problem with giving Bernie a shot. If Bernie maintains a decent OBP, then it will be nice to get his speed in the line up. The one thing I think I have a problem with is that this seems to be more of a "let's see what we have" move than a move to get the most out of the roster. I don't like doing that when we are over .500.

hammondsnats · « **Reply #215 on:** April 28, 2010, 09:51:24 pm »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on April 28, 2010, 09:44:14 pm

If I liked Harris in right for his defense, then I can't have a problem with giving Bernie a shot. If Bernie maintains a decent OBP, then it will be nice to get his speed in the line up. The one thing I think I have a problem with is that this seems to be more of a "let's see what we have" move than a move to get the most out of the roster. I don't like doing that when we are over .500.

If Jermaine Dye wasn't being so greedy and wasn't such a crappy defensive outfielder, he'd be the guy. I'm still hoping Maxwell can get going.

PANatsFan · « **Reply #216 on:** April 29, 2010, 12:27:45 am »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on April 28, 2010, 08:54:13 pm

Boil Lidslick says that the new RF platoon will be the young'ens -the Bernie Max Show. Harris reverts to his former role as SuperWillie, flying in to rescue positions in need of a true American hero. Needless to say, my signature line objects.

Bloob Joobson passed my suggestion on to the wise Jorm Rogalation and they platoon my boys Rogearvin Bornodono and Jason Muxwhile.

JMW IV · « **Reply #217 on:** April 29, 2010, 12:33:20 am »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on April 28, 2010, 08:54:13 pm

the Bernie Max Show.

God Bless his funny-ass soul.

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a real American hero.

fixed.

Photoshop. Now.

UMDNats · « **Reply #218 on:** April 29, 2010, 01:02:24 am »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on April 28, 2010, 08:54:13 pm

a true American hero.

wpa2629 · « **Reply #219 on:** April 29, 2010, 02:41:07 am »

Play the Kids!

I like it.

The Chief · « **Reply #220 on:** April 29, 2010, 09:02:52 am »

Quote from: JMW4th on April 29, 2010, 12:33:20 am

Photoshop. Now.

imref · « **Reply #221 on:** April 29, 2010, 09:27:47 am »

You know, if one of the kids can't step up maybe we could trade for jose guillen?

hammondsnats · « **Reply #222 on:** April 29, 2010, 01:40:40 pm »

Quote from: imref on April 29, 2010, 09:27:47 am

You know, if one of the kids can't step up maybe we could trade for jose guillen?

Not sure if you are being serious or not ... but honestly the "gui" is having a solid season. I know his attitude/clubhouse presence has been questioned, but wasn't he somewhat decent in DC?

JMW IV · « **Reply #223 on:** April 29, 2010, 02:36:11 pm »

Quote from: The Chief on April 29, 2010, 09:02:52 am

WIN.

imref · « **Reply #224 on:** April 29, 2010, 02:36:36 pm »

Quote from: hammondsnats on April 29, 2010, 01:40:40 pm

Not sure if you are being serious or not ... but honestly the "gui" is having a solid season. I know his attitude/clubhouse presence has been questioned, but wasn't he somewhat decent in DC?

yeah, was being serious, he's going to get dealt to a contender before the trading deadline, perhaps that will be us.

.317 / 7HR / .980 OPS / .635 SLG