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Offline Lintyfresh85

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #100 on: April 12, 2010, 06:51:47 pm »
Well, one has a track record of sucking, and one does not.

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #101 on: April 12, 2010, 06:58:14 pm »
$4M wasn't enough to uproot his family? Who is this guy,Latrell Sprewell?

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #102 on: April 12, 2010, 06:59:04 pm »
Well, one has a track record of sucking, and one does not.

You don't believe in the Eck? :P

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #103 on: April 12, 2010, 07:02:20 pm »
You don't believe in the Eck? :P

It would take more than a hitting instructor to fix Taveras. The guy is a very good defensive player but he just isn't major league material.

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #104 on: April 12, 2010, 07:14:42 pm »
My jokes must be really flat today.  I'm just busting his chops over (re)declaring Taveras a bum with such a small sample size.  Sure the dude isn't going to do much either way, and yes I know his career stats bear that out, but good lord.  Linty's transformation to the ASSCLOWN side is nearly complete :twisted:

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #105 on: April 12, 2010, 07:28:50 pm »
No way. I'm rationale and post helpful information.... and generally a likeable person!

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #106 on: April 12, 2010, 07:32:56 pm »
No way. I'm rationale and post helpful information.... and generally a likeable person!

Constantly reminding us how much you think Taveras sucks isn't helpful or informative, nor is it very likable.  You're generally likable, I just think you miss your sparring buddy :icon_mrgreen:

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #107 on: April 12, 2010, 07:42:44 pm »
maxwell has been swinging a hot bat last couple games ... i wonder if taveras continues to suck ... maybe go with a leonard davis/marvin lawerence/kevin mench or someone

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #108 on: April 12, 2010, 07:49:18 pm »
maxwell has been swinging a hot bat last couple games ... i wonder if taveras continues to suck ... maybe go with a leonard davis/marvin lawerence/kevin mench or someone

Maybe he was just worried about his baby ala Chad Cordero grandmother bereavement family leave  a couple years ago.

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #109 on: April 12, 2010, 08:01:23 pm »
What's the point of bringing up Bernadina if you don't play him?

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #110 on: April 12, 2010, 08:02:14 pm »
What's the point of bringing up Bernadina if you don't play him?

i don't think he's that good, personally, but i'm rooting for him.

Offline DPMOmaha

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #111 on: April 12, 2010, 08:03:16 pm »
What's the point of bringing up Bernadina if you don't play him?
He'll get in there.  It's only day one of the Morse's DL sting.

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #112 on: April 12, 2010, 08:23:39 pm »
He'll get in there.  It's only day one of the Morse's DL sting.

I'm just of the opinion that if you call up a young guy,you play him. They have plenty of veterans at Syracuse that can sit on the bench if that's what they want.

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #113 on: April 12, 2010, 08:27:17 pm »
I'm just of the opinion that if you call up a young guy,you play him. They have plenty of veterans at Syracuse that can sit on the bench if that's what they want.
Sure, I am too, but he was called up last night.  With Zim being out today and it being opening day in Philly, let him get into town and play the vets who you'd think could handle this athmospher a bit better than the kid.  He'll get plenty of opportunities to play the next two weeks.  Plus it's a left on left matchup if you play him today vs. Hamels. 

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #114 on: April 12, 2010, 09:04:06 pm »
$4M wasn't enough to uproot his family? Who is this guy,Latrell Sprewell?

I think what he meant is it wasn't enough to uproot his family and play for the Nationals. He would like someone on the Yankees to get hurt so he can gravy train his way to another world series.

I think it is a losers mentality to want to play for a winner instead of opting to play for a currently bad team and help turn them into a winner. Felipe Lopez played poorly while he was in Washington and as soon as he left he claimed how happy he was and that he would be able to play hard again being with a winner. Maybe if he played hard here he could have helped the team win. Dye just sounds like a guy that would be an attitude problem since he wants to gravy train and it would take a miracle for this team to win.

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #115 on: April 12, 2010, 09:17:07 pm »
I think what he meant is it wasn't enough to uproot his family and play for the Nationals. He would like someone on the Yankees to get hurt so he can gravy train his way to another world series.

I think it is a losers mentality to want to play for a winner instead of opting to play for a currently bad team and help turn them into a winner. Felipe Lopez played poorly while he was in Washington and as soon as he left he claimed how happy he was and that he would be able to play hard again being with a winner. Maybe if he played hard here he could have helped the team win. Dye just sounds like a guy that would be an attitude problem since he wants to gravy train and it would take a miracle for this team to win.
Except that Dye's in the twilight of his career.  He's got this year and maybe next year and that's about it.  If I'm in that situation, I'm not going to the team that's lost 100 years in back to back years.  I'm gonna try and get to a place where I can have a chance at a championship.  Why go to a team that's gonna have little reward and just collect a pay check if it's your last go around.  Lopez's situation is different, he's smack dab in the middle of his career or at the time, arguably at the beginning of it.  He's not in a position to be big timing any organization, if he were looking for a 5 year deal, it might be a bit different.  

Dye's in a situation where he can either stay at home and be with his family, spend time with his kids or go play for a team that's gonna likely lose more than they win, especially when he's been on teams that have won.  I don't think it's selfish or a losers way of thinking.  He's in position to be a little choosy, more power to him.  He's essentially this years Pedro for a position player.  

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #116 on: April 12, 2010, 10:06:29 pm »
Elijah Dukes would have been a lot better than Taveras. Keep believing that it was a baseball decision.

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #117 on: April 12, 2010, 10:23:10 pm »
"Baseball decision" mean's a whole lot more than it was based on his play.  It really is a pretty vague term.

And frankly, the Elijah Dukes of last year really isn't an upgrade of Tavaras.  The potential of Elijah Dukes is, but we've never really seen that sustained.

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #118 on: April 12, 2010, 10:41:04 pm »
"Baseball decision" mean's a whole lot more than it was based on his play.  It really is a pretty vague term.

And frankly, the Elijah Dukes of last year really isn't an upgrade of Tavaras.  The potential of Elijah Dukes is, but we've never really seen that sustained.

Dukes is definitely an upgrade over Taveras. Taveras is the worst player in the league. Dukes could definitely hit .260/.340/.400 vs. Left handed pitchers. He would be fine as a platoon guy.

Offline KnorrForYourMoney

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #119 on: April 12, 2010, 10:44:58 pm »
Elijah Dukes would have been a lot better than Taveras. Keep believing that it was a baseball decision.
If you think playing Taveras at RF was what they had in mind when they released Dukes, then you need a quick fact-check.

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #120 on: April 12, 2010, 10:50:19 pm »
Dukes is definitely an upgrade over Taveras. Taveras is the worst player in the league. Dukes could definitely hit .260/.340/.400 vs. Left handed pitchers. He would be fine as a platoon guy.
Sure, he had the potential to do that, but he hasn't for a while, but his defense was puzzlingly bad and he brought nothing at best to the clubhouse.  Tavaras isn't going to bring much offensively, no one's denying that but he does play defense well and when he get on base he does do some good things there.    Dukes is a talented player, but his sum is less than his parts.  That's not a guy you keep around.  Tavaras will give you about the same you got from Dukes in the platoon when you consider the whole package.

Tavaras, btw, is not the worst player in the league.

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #121 on: April 12, 2010, 11:02:07 pm »
If you think playing Taveras at RF was what they had in mind when they released Dukes, then you need a quick fact-check.

What does it say about their thought process when the backup plan was Taveras. They were relying on a player (Maxwell) who has never shown much success instead of a guy (Dukes) who actually once had a near All-Star caliber season in 2008.

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #122 on: April 12, 2010, 11:06:50 pm »
What about Dukes' 2008 was close to an all-star level?

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #123 on: April 12, 2010, 11:08:25 pm »
What about Dukes' 2008 was close to an all-star level?
A 125-ish OPS+ isn't all star level?

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #124 on: April 12, 2010, 11:11:07 pm »
What about Dukes' 2008 was close to an all-star level?

A 2.8 WAR in 81 games. If he played 130-140 games, that is all-star caliber.