Astros stealing signs - But Dusty to the Rescue

[bluestreak]

The question is, do the Red Sox and Mets fire Cora and Beltran? I think there will be significant pressure for both teams to do so.

[skippy1999]

The question is, do the Red Sox and Mets fire Cora and Beltran? I think there will be significant pressure for both teams to do so.

Even though by all accounts Beltran isn't being punished by MLB?

[HalfSmokes]

but it was a SCOUT, apparently NO ONE ELSE in management knew what he was doing?  Please

and crane had no idea either

[skippy1999]

But yes, Sox have to fire Cora.

[skippy1999]

and crane had no idea either

I could buy that way more than the GM and manager not knowing.   

[Count Walewski]

Even though by all accounts Beltran isn't being punished by MLB?

Beltran is shielded by the collective bargaining agreement because he was a player at the time, right?

[bluestreak]

but it was a SCOUT, apparently NO ONE ELSE in management knew what he was doing?  Please

Here is a synopsis of what happened. I found one name interesting.

Correa originally claimed he accessed Houston's database to see whether the Astros had stolen any information from the Cardinals. Considering he accessed the database 48 times over two and a half years, that goes beyond poking your head in to see whether some information had been stolen.
In addition to Mejdal, Correa also accessed the database using the accounts of Astros general manager Jeff Luhnow, analyst Colin Wyers and several minor-league players. He also attempted to use the accounts of former manager Bo Porter and pitching coach Brent Strom. Luhnow worked in the St. Louis front office from 2003-11.

[nfotiu]

I guess Red Sox would wait for the punishment before firing?   I assume they don't have to pay them out for their suspended years.  Would it be grounds for calling the whole contract breached?

[bluestreak]

Even though by all accounts Beltran isn't being punished by MLB?

Hinch and Luhnow were supposedly fired for the behavior, not because of the punishment.  The report states that Beltran was more involved in the behavior than Hinch.
So logic would make it seem that the Mets should fire him too.

[Natsinpwc]

Hinch and Luhnow were supposedly fired for the behavior, not because of the punishment.  The report states that Beltran was more involved in the behavior than Hinch.
So logic would make it seem that the Mets should fire him too.

Ethically that would be the right move. But I doubt they do that.

[Five Banners]

I think the Dodgers should probably get at least one of those...

Even some Dodger fans are now pumping the brakes there:

https://www.dodgersnation.com/dodgers-were-accused-of-sign-stealing-in-2018-per-the-athletic/2020/01/08/

[UMDNats]

and crane had no idea either

i can buy that crane had no idea. ownership doesn't spend enough time around the dugout to pick up on this and hinch or luhlow wouldn't share this. Crane laughing all the way to the bank though. That WS win got him millions in profit.

[UMDNats]

Hinch and Luhnow were supposedly fired for the behavior, not because of the punishment.  The report states that Beltran was more involved in the behavior than Hinch.
So logic would make it seem that the Mets should fire him too.

LOLMets if they have to fire or suspend Beltran before he manages a game

[bluestreak]

i can buy that crane had no idea. ownership doesn't spend enough time around the dugout to pick up on this and hinch or luhlow wouldn't share this. Crane laughing all the way to the bank though. That WS win got him millions in profit.

yeah. I don’t think Davey or Rizzo would be briefing the Lerners on their cheating operation.

[vicki4471]

Hinch would still have to serve the MLB rendered 1 year suspension before getting hired by another team right?

[UMDNats]

Hinch would still have to serve the MLB rendered 1 year suspension before getting hired by another team right?

i assume the 1 year counts from today, so expect hinch to get a job around late-january of 2021 (as a special assistant, or something) and eventually work his way up to the dugout again. i doubt he is a manager ever again, but then again professional sports are good ole' boy clubs and there's apparently only like 40 people in the world who can do the 30 or so head coaching jobs and once you're in, you're in.

[Duke of Earl]

Even though by all accounts Beltran isn't being punished by MLB?

Beltran's punishment is he has to manage the Mets.

[bluestreak]

i assume the 1 year counts from today, so expect hinch to get a job around late-january of 2021 (as a special assistant, or something) and eventually work his way up to the dugout again. i doubt he is a manager ever again, but then again professional sports are good ole' boy clubs and there's apparently only like 40 people in the world who can do the 30 or so head coaching jobs and once you're in, you're in.

Suspension lasts until day after last game of 2020 World Series.

[Duke of Earl]

But yes, Sox have to fire Cora.

I haven't heard whether the mischief occurred with the Red Sox, or if Cora's involvement was limited to the Astros.  Have you?   Cora deserves suspension for what he did with the Astros, but if he didn't do it with the Red Sox there is no reason for the Red Sox to fire him.  (If he did, they should.)

[UMDNats]

Suspension lasts until day after last game of 2020 World Series.

Ah, got it. Fired/disgraced coaches always get hired again, Hinch will, too, especially considering the narrative presented was that he knew, disapproved, tried to stop it, but by golly it kept happening.

[RyanZimsKazoo]

Hinch should have been fired for being an idiot and not playing Cole.

But hey...this was a major punishment from MLB short of stripping their title...i think it is sufficient. Way worse than the NFL did with Belichek and Payton.

[skippy1999]

I haven't heard whether the mischief occurred with the Red Sox, or if Cora's involvement was limited to the Astros.  Have you?   Cora deserves suspension for what he did with the Astros, but if he didn't do it with the Red Sox there is no reason for the Red Sox to fire him.  (If he did, they should.)

They're already investigating the Cora and the Sox for sign stealing in 2018.  I wonder if Cora could actually be banned for life??

[bluestreak]

I haven't heard whether the mischief occurred with the Red Sox, or if Cora's involvement was limited to the Astros.  Have you?   Cora deserves suspension for what he did with the Astros, but if he didn't do it with the Red Sox there is no reason for the Red Sox to fire him.  (If he did, they should.)

Sources are saying MLB is waiting on finishing the investigation of the Red Sox before they announce the Cora discipline and that it will be more severe than Hinch and Luhnow’s. This implies to me that some of his transgressions occurred when he was in the Boston dugout.

[imref]

From the Manfred report: Hinch knew about the scheme and did nothing to stop it other than breaking a few monitors.  Luhnow knew about it in passing and did nothing to stop it.  Crane did not know.  Cora and Beltran were the masterminds.

I'd imagine others will face penalties as well (e.g. the techs who set it up?)

[HalfSmokes]

From the Manfred report: Hinch knew about the scheme and did nothing to stop it other than breaking a few monitors.  Luhnow knew about it in passing and did nothing to stop it.  Crane did not know.  Cora and Beltran were the masterminds.

I'd imagine others will face penalties as well (e.g. the techs who set it up?)

that was for 2017- what about for last year