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Offline Greg_SRT

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2100 on: August 05, 2018, 10:22:59 am »
Except I'm pretty sure that neither a minor league making his MLB debut, nor a guy with meh control who hit Harper on the knee with an 82 mph curveballs, actually meant it intentionally

I don’t think anyone accused the Reds of doing it intentionally. But when you got a team throwing and hitting multiple batters including the franchise, something has to be done.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2101 on: August 05, 2018, 10:32:16 am »
The Nats have had a parade of managers who would not have thrown at the Reds. I applaud Martinez for that retaliation, I'm just glad I was within earshot to add salt with the Votto has an owie chant for the bottom of the eighth.

Hitting people intentionally with projectiles (weapons) is dumb...

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2102 on: August 05, 2018, 10:48:27 am »
Hitting people intentionally with projectiles (weapons) is dumb...

And?

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2103 on: August 05, 2018, 10:58:27 am »
And?

I thought the statement was fairly obvious...

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2104 on: August 05, 2018, 11:12:54 am »
But when you got a team throwing and hitting multiple batters including the franchise, something has to be done.

I have never understood why the Nats historically have always tolerated their players being used for target practice.

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« Reply #2105 on: August 05, 2018, 11:23:14 am »
I have never understood why the Nats historically have always tolerated their players being used for target practice.

Papelbon plunked a guy and Harper complained, called it tired.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2106 on: August 05, 2018, 11:25:22 am »
I don’t think anyone accused the Reds of doing it intentionally. But when you got a team throwing and hitting multiple batters including the franchise, something has to be done.

2. By 2 different pitchers. It was obvious neither was intentional.  A 97mph fastball to a player's knee is not a reasonable response. If Martinez was actually responsible for this,  it's all the more reason to fire him at the end of the season.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2107 on: August 05, 2018, 12:02:52 pm »
Today will be interesting.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2108 on: August 06, 2018, 07:30:03 pm »
Papelbon plunked a guy and Harper complained, called it tired.

That was the thing that led to Papelbon choking Bryce. I remember slightly different details, though: Papelbon threw at Manny Machado's head, twice. Claimed that Machado had admired a homer off anther Nats pitcher. Harper said it was dangerous to throw at heads, and asked just who, of course, would Baltimore throw at in retaliation.

Incidentally, it looks like Votto has trouble running. Also can't move quickly in the field. (Watching Mets / Reds, with no Nats game tonight)

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2109 on: August 06, 2018, 08:49:01 pm »
2. By 2 different pitchers. It was obvious neither was intentional.  A 97mph fastball to a player's knee is not a reasonable response. If Martinez was actually responsible for this,  it's all the more reason to fire him at the end of the season.

What was obvious about it? It looked like Matson did exactly what he intended to. Maybe he was aiming at his thigh, but...

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2110 on: August 07, 2018, 10:07:52 pm »
What was obvious about it? It looked like Matson did exactly what he intended to. Maybe he was aiming at his thigh, but...

Because one is a guy making his debut. The other hit Harper with a curveball. No one beans a guy with a curveball.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2111 on: August 07, 2018, 10:09:07 pm »
Poor pitching management today. You cant pull Rodriguez at 64 pitches in Game 1 of a double header.

At first I blamed a lot of this on the players not performing. But now its becoming obvious that Martinez may not be ready for this.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2112 on: August 07, 2018, 10:10:47 pm »
:lmao:  Slateman gonna Slate

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2113 on: August 08, 2018, 07:08:01 am »
Poor pitching management today. You cant pull Rodriguez at 64 pitches in Game 1 of a double header.

At first I blamed a lot of this on the players not performing. But now its becoming obvious that Martinez may not be ready for this.

It was odd that he removed Rodriguez when he did.  64 pitches in 5 innings was an answered prayer and then Davey goes and F's it up.  I also would have burned Adams and let Reynolds face Biddle in the 8th last night.  Adams was so overmatched in that at bat, and Reynolds got a chance to face a lefty.  I realize that may be hindsight 20/20, but the Rodriguez removal was just plain dumb.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2114 on: August 08, 2018, 08:17:09 am »
Martinez seems drained, no fire, not fighting with the umps after that Soto out, he's not having fun. His post game comments give the impression that he's along for the ride and not leading the way.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2115 on: August 08, 2018, 08:31:52 am »
Martinez seems drained, no fire, not fighting with the umps after that Soto out, he's not having fun. His post game comments give the impression that he's along for the ride and not leading the way.
What was he supposed to argue on that call?   

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2116 on: August 08, 2018, 09:03:31 am »
Martinez seems drained, no fire, not fighting with the umps after that Soto out, he's not having fun. His post game comments give the impression that he's along for the ride and not leading the way.

His post game interview was really bad, even for a standard post game interview.   

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2117 on: August 08, 2018, 10:04:34 am »
It was odd that he removed Rodriguez when he did.  64 pitches in 5 innings was an answered prayer and then Davey goes and F's it up.  I also would have burned Adams and let Reynolds face Biddle in the 8th last night.  Adams was so overmatched in that at bat, and Reynolds got a chance to face a lefty.  I realize that may be hindsight 20/20, but the Rodriguez removal was just plain dumb.

Nah, with the heart of the Braves order due up, including guys who had hit him pretty well the last time around, that was the right time to pull him.  And I’ll take Adams any time over Reynolds; Reynolds has these offensive explosion games that cover up an otherwise Meh batter. He’s got 15 hits (and 14 strikeouts) in his last 54 PA, a span of 20 games; but all those hits are in just 7 of those 20 games. If you remove te 5-hit game against Miami, he’s got 10 hits in his last 49 PA.



What was he supposed to argue on that call?

This. People want to see Martinez get all riled up and kicking dirt, but he’s not going to do it when it’s not warranted. I was at the day game yesterday and he was out of the dugout on that play, was engaged and questioning the umps, etc. He did his job. He’s just not going to make a spectacle unless the umps have done something egregious. This is not a bad thing; a rookie batter who argues balls and strikes ends up with a strike zone the size of a metro bus, and a rookie manager who throws a fit at every weird call isn’t going to make any friends either.  You have to have a decent relationship with the umps or your team will be playing every game uphill before they even take the field.

Martinez does still do plenty of stupid crap and he’s not my favorite manager but he’s not completely incompetent either.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2118 on: August 08, 2018, 11:35:27 am »
Martinez seems drained, no fire, not fighting with the umps after that Soto out, he's not having fun. His post game comments give the impression that he's along for the ride and not leading the way.

we get it, you have a personal vendetta

Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2119 on: August 08, 2018, 03:19:44 pm »
Martinez seems drained, no fire, not fighting with the umps after that Soto out, he's not having fun. His post game comments give the impression that he's along for the ride and not leading the way.

The days of the Earl Weaver/Lou Pinella/Bobby Cox ranting and raving, yelling and screaming type manager are long over. Davey doesn't have much clout with umps at this point anyway and it wouldn't do the team any good to have the umps mad at them. 

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2120 on: August 08, 2018, 04:35:05 pm »
The days of the Earl Weaver/Lou Pinella/Bobby Cox ranting and raving, yelling and screaming type manager are long over. Davey doesn't have much clout with umps at this point anyway and it wouldn't do the team any good to have the umps mad at them.

I rode in the same cart in a Tampa, FL golf foursome with Lou back in the '80's.  I was pissed that I didn't draw Al Lopez, who had the group in front of us...

Lou was very well behaved that day...  ;)


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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2121 on: August 08, 2018, 07:54:34 pm »
What was he supposed to argue on that call?   

That the out was called so that Turner was returning to the base. He wouldn't change the decision and he didn't need to go on an old school tirade, but everyone knows that he'll walk out, low energy, ask for an explanation, then walk back with his hang dog look. The umps are never going to give us a call with Martinez in the dugout.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2122 on: August 08, 2018, 07:58:51 pm »
we get it, you have a personal vendetta

Oh please, I have never commented on anything other than Martinez's lack of competency doing his job. He will go down with Jim Zorn as one of the worst manager's this city has ever seen.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2123 on: August 08, 2018, 08:00:56 pm »
The days of the Earl Weaver/Lou Pinella/Bobby Cox ranting and raving, yelling and screaming type manager are long over. Davey doesn't have much clout with umps at this point anyway and it wouldn't do the team any good to have the umps mad at them. 

Have you been paying attention? The umps hate the Nats. Our guys lead the league in sideways glances after every strike out. Instead of One Pursuit, this year the Nats motto is Blame Shift.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2124 on: August 08, 2018, 09:15:35 pm »
Oh please, I have never commented on anything other than Martinez's lack of competency doing his job. He will go down with Jim Zorn as one of the worst manager's this city has ever seen.