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Offline BigMeech

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1225 on: July 03, 2018, 09:45:29 pm »


The Dusty CURSE!

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1226 on: July 03, 2018, 09:57:06 pm »


The Dusty CURSE!

Won't win the division until...

Call Girardi.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1227 on: July 03, 2018, 10:04:35 pm »
Here’s a thought: stick with the guy that got you there with a putrid bullpen last year. Dusty deserved to be renewed. It’s disgusting.

Except he colossally freaked it up in the playoffs. Again. There's a reason hes 0-10 in his last 10 series clinching games. Rizzo made pen decisions stupid freaking simple and Ole Toothpick couldn't follow the path.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1228 on: July 03, 2018, 10:04:45 pm »
Martinez  actually  used the A word in his post game spiel of canned phrases

(accountability )

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1229 on: July 03, 2018, 10:08:52 pm »
Except he colossally freaked it up in the playoffs. Again. There's a reason hes 0-10 in his last 10 series clinching games. Rizzo made pen decisions stupid freaking simple and Ole Toothpick couldn't follow the path.

He made the playoffs.    I'm afraid that's more than dave.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1230 on: July 03, 2018, 10:10:58 pm »
He made the playoffs.    I'm afraid that's more than dave.

More like Rizzo built a playoff team and they got lucky enough to be relatively injury free for most of the season on a division that was putrid

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1231 on: July 03, 2018, 10:14:05 pm »
More like Rizzo built a playoff team and they got lucky enough to be relatively injury free for most of the season on a division that was putrid

Call it what you want.   dave is not an upgrade.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1232 on: July 03, 2018, 10:19:56 pm »
Frank Robinson - Davey Johnson - Dusty Baker vs Manny Acta - Matt Williams - d Martinez

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1233 on: July 03, 2018, 10:24:55 pm »
He made the playoffs.    I'm afraid that's more than dave.
It's early.  Late early; he has next year too! Rizzo will not be firing him.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1234 on: July 03, 2018, 10:35:33 pm »
Anybody see Davey postgame? He looks defeated and hopeless.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1235 on: July 03, 2018, 10:37:09 pm »
More like Rizzo built a playoff team and they got lucky enough to be relatively injury free for most of the season on a division that was putrid

Dusty dealt with frequent injuries during his two huge division wins here.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1236 on: July 03, 2018, 10:43:17 pm »
Dusty dealt with frequent injuries during his two huge division wins here.

Nothing even close to this.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1237 on: July 03, 2018, 10:52:55 pm »
When you point your finger 'cuz your plan fell through
You got three more fingers pointing back at you


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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1238 on: July 03, 2018, 11:16:32 pm »
Nothing even close to this.

Yeah, to be fair to Davey...it wasn't this bad. And Zimm had a career resurgence.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1239 on: July 03, 2018, 11:59:09 pm »
Injuries were bad enough last year that they had Andrew Stevenson in the OF. The bullpen was awful until the trades for Doolittle/Madson/Kintzler. Roark started bad and did not improve. Ross got hurt about July 4. Matt Wieters started all year.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1240 on: July 04, 2018, 07:01:39 am »
I'm not sure what Martinez has done to gain such loyalty from those defending him.  The players are not playing for him.  This is a dead, lifeless team, despite Martinez the other night saying we played with "great intensity" in the loss to Boston.  He is grasping.  Yes, the players have not come through, but it's easier to fire one manager than 25 players.  He gotsta go asap.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1241 on: July 04, 2018, 07:03:03 am »
Eaton played one month. They used 13-14 OF’s during the season. Ross went down midway and MAT had a breakout season. Harper was hurt the last 5-6 weeks. I’m sure there was more.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1242 on: July 04, 2018, 08:05:01 am »
Eaton played one month. They used 13-14 OF’s during the season. Ross went down midway and MAT had a breakout season. Harper was hurt the last 5-6 weeks. I’m sure there was more.

Turner missed two months. Strasburg missed a month.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1243 on: July 04, 2018, 08:06:02 am »
Eaton played one month. They used 13-14 OF’s during the season. Ross went down midway and MAT had a breakout season. Harper was hurt the last 5-6 weeks. I’m sure there was more.

we would have won north of 100 games last year with a better bullpen, even with all the injuries.  Part of it was that Philly and Atlanta were much worse than they are now.

We've got a stretch of something like 21 games coming up against sub .500 teams.  It's now or never.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1244 on: July 04, 2018, 08:22:51 am »
we would have won north of 100 games last year with a better bullpen, even with all the injuries.  Part of it was that Philly and Atlanta were much worse than they are now.

We've got a stretch of something like 21 games coming up against sub .500 teams.  It's now or never.

It's now or never is right, but in any case the Nats won't sell, they'll go all out to stay within spitting distance of a wildcard spot, playoff invoices go out next month.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1245 on: July 04, 2018, 08:26:34 am »
Injuries were bad enough last year that they had Andrew Stevenson in the OF. The bullpen was awful until the trades for Doolittle/Madson/Kintzler. Roark started bad and did not improve. Ross got hurt about July 4. Matt Wieters started all year.

Stevenson has played 25 games.
The bullpen has been quite terrible this season
Roark is worse.
Martinez has never seen Ross pitch a major league game
Matt wieters would be about a 40 point batting increase over our current starting catcher.

Eaton played one month. They used 13-14 OF’s during the season. Ross went down midway and MAT had a breakout season. Harper was hurt the last 5-6 weeks. I’m sure there was more.
Nats have already had 9 outfielders.
Harper was only gone six weeks. He's currently struggling to hit his weight over the last two months. Dusty also had three other .900 OPS bats he could plug in the lineup, plus Adam Lind hitting  .303/.362/513 and Howie Kendrick hitting .315/.368/.475. Oh and Trea Turner could actually hit too.

 Martinez has had Rendon and Soto hitting well for about a month and a half.

Martinez has lost more production in his first ~3 months as manager than Dusty had to deal with over his entire tenure in DC.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1246 on: July 04, 2018, 08:34:27 am »
Stevenson has played 25 games.
The bullpen has been quite terrible this season
Roark is worse.
Martinez has never seen Ross pitch a major league game
Matt wieters would be about a 40 point batting increase over our current starting catcher.
Nats have already had 9 outfielders.
Harper was only gone six weeks. He's currently struggling to hit his weight over the last two months. Dusty also had three other .900 OPS bats he could plug in the lineup, plus Adam Lind hitting  .303/.362/513 and Howie Kendrick hitting .315/.368/.475. Oh and Trea Turner could actually hit too.

 Martinez has had Rendon and Soto hitting well for about a month and a half.

Martinez has lost more production in his first ~3 months as manager than Dusty had to deal with over his entire tenure in DC.

The injury comparison has some merit, although it has been noted that there were plenty of injuries last year. The point that a bunch of guys are underachieving under Martinez while a bunch of guys overachieved under Baker really argues in favor of the manager change being the big factor in the decline.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1247 on: July 04, 2018, 08:38:37 am »
Now, the crisis is here. The Nats’ response to their challenge was to play their worst, even though several stars had returned. Also, Manager Dave Martinez illustrates the price you pay for hiring a rookie manager — any rookie — to do on-the-job training with a built-to-win team.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/for-the-nationals-the-crisis-point-has-arrived-in-a-hurry-as-it-usually-does/2018/07/03/982d8c50-7eea-11e8-b660-4d0f9f0351f1_story.html?utm_term=.7de36860a0a2

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1248 on: July 04, 2018, 08:48:18 am »
Now, the crisis is here. The Nats’ response to their challenge was to play their worst, even though several stars had returned. Also, Manager Dave Martinez illustrates the price you pay for hiring a rookie manager — any rookie — to do on-the-job training with a built-to-win team.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/for-the-nationals-the-crisis-point-has-arrived-in-a-hurry-as-it-usually-does/2018/07/03/982d8c50-7eea-11e8-b660-4d0f9f0351f1_story.html?utm_term=.7de36860a0a2

does he not realize that rookie managers are leading the two best teams in baseball?

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1249 on: July 04, 2018, 08:49:15 am »
Just because everyone isn't on the everything is Dave's fault hate train doesn't equal defending Dave. I am just being realistic.

No matter who they bring in here, we get the same lackluster results.

Stop comparing this season so far to last regular season. Instead compare this season so far to all the previous NLDS's.

This team wins and their offense looks powerful. They lose and their offense looks lifeless.

How many times has this team been shut out or held to almost nothing? How many times has this offense made below average pitchers look above average? Then you realize that they have been doing this crap for years.

Hell look back to that Mets series when Eaton went down. Lifeless 2 games, and the third score a butt ton of runs. Lose a series 2 out of 3, but out score the team for the series.

If we went 16-8 in 1 run games this year instead of 8-16 we'd be in first place. And everyone would be happy. But the core problems this team has and has had for years wouldn't be visible like it is now. So it's not really how the team is playing?

I can't blame Dave for Murphy hitting .190, Zimm hitting .217, Harper hitting .218

I can't blame Dave for the poor performance of players. They have their own accountability. They are professionals and are put in favorable situations, but are failing. That's on them. Max had the matchup of all matchups. A batter in the box with no positive history of hitting, 2 outs and the count 0-2. Max didn't get it done.

How many times have we had RISP with no outs and can't get them home? How many times in these close games have we had RISP in the 9th with no outs or 1 out and completely failed to do anything?

If you want Dave fired then ok fine. But can you at least provide the list of mistakes he's making? Can you even provide a possible solution to a problem?

He made a mistake when he thought he seen the Ump announce a hitter. I count one.

I'm sorry I can't subscribe to bench Harper for MAT. Or continuously removing the SP after 4 and 1/3 when playing 18 straight games. Or firing the manager half way through. These ideas are silly, lack any planning whatsoever, and don't improve the issues the team is experiencing... unless you know a manager who can simply turn it around.

And not just Dave, but the entire coaching staff. Unless you are saying that the roster is perfectly fine. And all the staff is perfectly fine. And the only issue is Dave... sorry that seems unlikely.

These ideas makes less sense as letting Dusty go. They are just uneducated ideas.

Yes Dusty is gone. I was happy to hear he was hired and not Bud Black. When I first Bud Black got the job I was disappointed. I liked Dusty and if had my way he would have been back. But he isn't, and it's time to move on from that.

If there is a manager and coaching staff just sitting home then ok. But it doesn't seem likely. They'd have a job to start the season.