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Offline Cinqo de Mayo

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1525 on: July 15, 2018, 08:36:50 am »
Mike Metheny is now available. I'd grab him in a heartbeat.
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Offline Slateman

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1526 on: July 15, 2018, 08:42:57 am »
Quote from: bluestreak on July 14, 2018, 11:34:14 pm
Should have done what I suggested months ago.  If you weren’t going to keep Dusty and you thought Martinez was the future. Drive the Brinks truck up to Jim Leyland’s house and give him a 1 year contact with the stipulation that Martinez is his bench coach and would take over in 2019. This idea looks much smarter now. But it looks like the Lerners are penny wise and pound foolish.

I'm sorry, but what can Leyland teach Martinez that Joe Maddon cant/hasnt?

Quote from: Cinqo de Mayo on July 15, 2018, 08:36:50 am
Mike Metheny is now available. I'd grab him in a heartbeat.
Are you kidding?! Do you have any idea how excited Cards fans are to get rid of him?
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Offline aspenbubba

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1527 on: July 15, 2018, 08:43:19 am »
Quote from: bluestreak on July 14, 2018, 11:34:14 pm
Should have done what I suggested months ago.  If you weren’t going to keep Dusty and you thought Martinez was the future. Drive the Brinks truck up to Jim Leyland’s house and give him a 1 year contact with the stipulation that Martinez is his bench coach and would take over in 2019. This idea looks much smarter now. But it looks like the Lerners are penny wise and pound foolish.
Would rather have Giardi
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Offline Slateman

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1528 on: July 15, 2018, 08:43:53 am »
Quote from: PowerBoater69 on July 15, 2018, 06:07:13 am
The Nats are looking at a 20 game drop in wins, granted that injuries played a part, but Martínez is every bit the disaster I thought he'd be right from that first press conference. You could tell immediately that he's not too bright, Rizzo wanted a guy who would take direction from upper management and they got their puppet. This stinks.

Yes, Dusty was the empitomy of intellectual stimulation as manager :roll:
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Offline aspenbubba

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1529 on: July 15, 2018, 08:46:44 am »
Quote from: Cinqo de Mayo on July 14, 2018, 05:34:27 pm
Top 5 reasons this team stinks: 1. Bryce Harper 2. Bryce Harper 3. Bryce Harper 4. Bryce Harper 5. Dave Martinez
He is not 80 % of the problem
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Offline bluestreak

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1530 on: July 15, 2018, 08:50:42 am »
Quote from: Slateman on July 15, 2018, 08:42:57 am
I'm sorry, but what can Leyland teach Martinez that Joe Maddon cant/hasnt?
Are you kidding?! Do you have any idea how excited Cards fans are to get rid of him?

Joe Maddon is overrated. He’s a below .500 playoff manager and his team one the WS in spite of his numerous mistakes.

I wouldn’t touch Matheny. He’s a joke
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Offline welch

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1531 on: July 15, 2018, 09:03:44 am »
Quote from: aspenbubba on July 15, 2018, 08:43:19 am
Would rather have Giardi

Hire Girardi now. This team looks "uninspired". Harper should sit.
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Offline RyanZimsKazoo

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1532 on: July 15, 2018, 09:56:08 am »
Mike Matheny just got crapcanned.

Thoughts?
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Online Natsinpwc

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1533 on: July 15, 2018, 09:56:46 am »
Quote from: aspenbubba on July 15, 2018, 08:46:44 am
He is not 80 % of the problem
Posted stats yesterday that showed the pitching is about the same this year. It's the hitting. Down .7 runs per game. He is a big part of it.  Maybe 50 percent.
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Offline Slateman

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1534 on: July 15, 2018, 10:00:48 am »
Quote from: bluestreak on July 15, 2018, 08:50:42 am
Joe Maddon is overrated. He’s a below .500 playoff manager and his team one the WS in spite of his numerous mistakes.

I wouldn’t touch Matheny. He’s a joke

He was a .500+ manager in Tampa,  and hes over .500 in the postseason with the Cubs.

If anything, hes underrated.
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Online Natsinpwc

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1535 on: July 15, 2018, 10:00:52 am »
Quote from: bluestreak on July 15, 2018, 08:50:42 am
Joe Maddon is overrated. He’s a below .500 playoff manager and his team one the WS in spite of his numerous mistakes.

I wouldn’t touch Matheny. He’s a joke
The players almost all like him. And respect him. That's a big part of the equation. You are throwing in some early exits with Tampa and a World Series shellacking by the Phillies. Look at his record the last 4 years. Two NLCS exits and a World Series Championship. So he is 5-2 in playoff series over that time. Just a wee bit better than Dusty. And they are on top again this year.
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Offline mitlen

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1536 on: July 15, 2018, 10:27:34 am »
Quote from: RyanZimsKazoo on July 15, 2018, 09:56:08 am
Mike Matheny just got crapcanned.

Thoughts?

Does that mean Maddox is available?
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Online Natsinpwc

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1537 on: July 15, 2018, 10:34:10 am »
Quote from: mitlen on July 15, 2018, 10:27:34 am
Does that mean Maddox is available?
Not yet.

Watched him yesterday as the 100MPH guy got pounded by the Reds.  He looked befuddled.  Matheny looked like he knew it was coming.  Nats team ERA this year is about same as last year.
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Offline Greg_SRT

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1538 on: July 15, 2018, 10:38:32 am »
Quote from: Natsinpwc on July 15, 2018, 09:56:46 am
Posted stats yesterday that showed the pitching is about the same this year. It's the hitting. Down .7 runs per game. He is a big part of it.  Maybe 50 percent.

Yeah. They haven't yet put last years lineup on the field this year. That's an interesting stat...
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Offline dcpatti

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1539 on: July 15, 2018, 10:51:51 am »
Quote from: Natsinpwc on July 15, 2018, 09:56:46 am
Posted stats yesterday that showed the pitching is about the same this year. It's the hitting. Down .7 runs per game. He is a big part of it.  Maybe 50 percent.

Really missing Adam Lind and Howie Kendrick. 2017 Zim on 1B with Lind and Kendrick on the bench beats 2018 Matt Adams on 1B with Reynolds and Difo on the bench. Obviously Bryce is a huge factor as well.  it’s  death by a thousand cuts. None of them are fatal on their own but when they’re all happening at once, you die.  Soto makes up for some of it at the plate but gives up extra outs in the field and even if he were playing Gold Glove defense, there are still so many holes in the offense. Even Rendon had a banner year last year and has regressed (if you can fairly call it that) to his career norm, which is still a really solid player but also 20 BA points below last year.
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Offline Slateman

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1540 on: July 15, 2018, 12:43:57 pm »
Quote from: mitlen on July 15, 2018, 10:27:34 am
Does that mean Maddox is available?

Why do we want him? He couldn't fix the pen the last two years. Roark's ERA doubled under his tenure. His current pen is a crap show.
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Offline mitlen

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1541 on: July 15, 2018, 01:05:34 pm »
Quote from: Slateman on July 15, 2018, 12:43:57 pm
Why do we want him? He couldn't fix the pen the last two years. Roark's ERA doubled under his tenure. His current pen is a crap show.

Where is the indication that we want him?      ;)
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Offline LoveAngelos

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1542 on: July 15, 2018, 02:48:30 pm »
At this point I would settle for Joe Camel
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Offline Air Desmond

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1543 on: July 15, 2018, 06:15:31 pm »
I’m done with the #FireMartinez movement. It’s a waste of time. I’m going to support him and this team until they are mathematically eliminated. Or until they lose Friday. Seriously, 48-48 isn’t the end of the world. Hit the reset button and show up ready to eat face vs the Braves. There’s no reason this team can’t go 42-24 over the final 66.
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Offline Greg_SRT

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1544 on: July 15, 2018, 06:29:25 pm »
Quote from: Air Desmond on July 15, 2018, 06:15:31 pm
I’m done with the #FireMartinez movement. It’s a waste of time. I’m going to support him and this team until they are mathematically eliminated. Or until they lose Friday. Seriously, 48-48 isn’t the end of the world. Hit the reset button and show up ready to eat face vs the Braves. There’s no reason this team can’t go 42-24 over the final 66.

That’s the spirit!
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Offline ToddGack

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1545 on: July 16, 2018, 11:18:59 pm »
Quote from: Ray D on July 11, 2018, 08:42:11 am
These ad hominem attacks are obnoxious.

What I find obnoxious is someone who feels the need to be a judge and inject themselves in a one on one discussion that doesn't have anything to do with them.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but clearly some people just don't know what they are talking about. Maybe it's me that doesn't know what I'm talking about but if I see someone acting like an authority and say something that is way out there I will comment.
My comment history on the net had been limited to commenting on news articles posted on MASN, WAPO etc. but out of boredom I found this site a couple months ago while recovering from minor surgery. I took a couple days reading and reviewing posts and thought that although this site has some real good intelligent people posting here it also had some real aholes. Against my better judgment I registered and have since been attacked by 6 different people on here so far and can say that all 6 were people that I identified while reviewing the posts.
I'm sure if everyone made a list of likely suspects the same people would be on all of the lists.
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Offline bluestreak

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1546 on: July 19, 2018, 01:47:29 pm »
As I’ve been saying all year, Martinez has been mismanaging the pitching staff. Seems like people on the team agree with me.  That being said, it sounds like he’s learning. Good reporting by Chelsea Janes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/nationals-players-express-concerns-about-dave-martinezs-handling-of-the-pitching-staff/2018/07/19/f569d580-8b6b-11e8-8aea-86e88ae760d8_story.html
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Offline DPMOmaha

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1547 on: July 19, 2018, 02:08:37 pm »
I think a lot of that is the normal learning curve any (most) managers have to go through. It's also one reason why I didn't want a rookie manager for a team with the expectations this one had. I like his willingness to recieve feedback and adapt as he gets more experience.
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Offline tzinc

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1548 on: July 19, 2018, 02:48:18 pm »
oh my gosh wanting Martinez fired is because I do support the Nats not because I don't support them
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Offline Greg_SRT

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #1549 on: July 19, 2018, 03:20:29 pm »
Quote from: bluestreak on July 19, 2018, 01:47:29 pm
As I’ve been saying all year, Martinez has been mismanaging the pitching staff. Seems like people on the team agree with me.  That being said, it sounds like he’s learning. Good reporting by Chelsea Janes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/nationals-players-express-concerns-about-dave-martinezs-handling-of-the-pitching-staff/2018/07/19/f569d580-8b6b-11e8-8aea-86e88ae760d8_story.html

Just read it. Sounds like everyone likes Dave. That’s good, looking for a big second half from our Nats.
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