Author Topic: PB69 presents "Fire Dave Martinez" (2018) (Read 56950 times)

Greg_SRT · « **Reply #1425 on:** July 11, 2018, 10:07:40 am »

Quote from: PowerBoater69 on July 11, 2018, 10:04:08 am

I have no idea what you do or don't know about baseball, I can't read your posts. How about sub headers? Or break up each point into a separate post. At least you use paragraphs, but still way too much text to read through.

Just ignore them

bluestreak · « **Reply #1426 on:** July 11, 2018, 10:12:08 am »

The standard response here when someone refutes someone’s theory or opinion with data is to throw out the old “you don’t understand baseball” or “you’re parroting what you hear on TV.” Used to annoy me. But if that’s all you can muster when presented with facts, it makes you wonder who is the person that doesn’t know what they are talking about.

Baseball isn’t quantum physics or neurosurgery.

Greg_SRT · « **Reply #1427 on:** July 11, 2018, 10:16:08 am »

Sorry about that. I’ll try to shorten. (Don’t look at my last on GDT then lol)

Ray D · « **Reply #1428 on:** July 11, 2018, 10:17:18 am »

Quote from: bluestreak on July 11, 2018, 10:12:08 am

The standard response here when someone refutes someone’s theory or opinion with data is to throw out the old “you don’t understand baseball” or “you’re parroting what you hear on TV.” Used to annoy me.

It still annoys the hell out of me. And I hope I never get to the point that it doesn't.

tzinc · « **Reply #1429 on:** July 11, 2018, 10:35:52 am »

basing everything on playoff results is ridiculous

baseball is a marathon not a sprint

many players have terrible playoff records and no one ever got rid of a player because of their playoff record

dusty made the playoffs time after time that is his worth once in there anything can happen in short series

i have watched baseball and dusty's playoffs he made no ridiculous moves no more so than Maddon Maddon made some horrible moves in the playoffs vs the Nats

the reality is you can only win a ws if you make the playoffs if you have a manager always making the playoffs then you stick with him because eventually they might win the ws by missing the playoffs you guarantee you won't win it lol

spidernat · « **Reply #1430 on:** July 11, 2018, 11:21:11 am »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on July 11, 2018, 09:31:41 am

I agree with Spider that "you don't have a clue" is mild stuff, and we all criticize each other's knowledge of baseball.

I'm not involved in this back and forth

bluestreak · « **Reply #1431 on:** July 11, 2018, 11:36:02 am »

Quote from: spidernat on July 11, 2018, 11:21:11 am

I'm not involved in this back and forth

He confused you with PB. Interpret that as you will....

DCFan · « **Reply #1432 on:** July 11, 2018, 11:41:35 am »

Can't we all just get along?

varoadking · « **Reply #1433 on:** July 11, 2018, 11:54:00 am »

Quote from: bluestreak on July 11, 2018, 11:36:02 am

He confused you with PB. Interpret that as you will....

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #1434 on:** July 11, 2018, 11:56:45 am »

Quote from: bluestreak on July 11, 2018, 11:36:02 am

He confused you with PB. Interpret that as you will....

oops. I did. sorry.

spidernat · « **Reply #1435 on:** July 11, 2018, 12:03:33 pm »

Quote from: bluestreak on July 11, 2018, 11:36:02 am

He confused you with PB. Interpret that as you will....

that's what concerned me

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #1436 on:** July 11, 2018, 01:01:25 pm »

Quote from: bluestreak on July 11, 2018, 10:12:08 am

Baseball isn’t quantum physics or neurosurgery.

Apparently you don’t realize that there’s nothing harder in the galaxy

LoveAngelos · « **Reply #1437 on:** July 11, 2018, 03:44:51 pm »

Davey can't set aline up that works and stay with it.

Slateman · « **Reply #1438 on:** July 11, 2018, 03:47:33 pm »

Quote from: LoveAngelos on July 11, 2018, 03:44:51 pm

Davey can't set aline up that works and stay with it.

Because the next game, that lineup gets shut out.

This is just one in a history of weak responses by the players. 2013, 2014 postseason, 2015, and 2016 post season.

Rizzo needs to gut the house

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #1439 on:** July 11, 2018, 05:11:30 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on July 11, 2018, 03:47:33 pm

Because the next game, that lineup gets shut out.

This is just one in a history of weak responses by the players. 2013, 2014 postseason, 2015, and 2016 post season.

Rizzo needs to gut the house

well, that's coming with all the contracts that are up.

ToddGack · « **Reply #1440 on:** July 11, 2018, 05:33:12 pm »

Quote from: Greg_SRT on November 07, 1974, 03:32:45 pm

I count one mistake so far this season.

This is what started this. I will back off and let everyone decide what they think of that statement.

Air Desmond · « **Reply #1441 on:** July 11, 2018, 05:49:02 pm »

46-46

Davey is a dead man walking. Fired at the all star break.

PowerBoater69 · « **Reply #1442 on:** July 11, 2018, 08:39:31 pm »

Todd Dybas has a good article on why both the starters and bullpen are tired. The starters are at the top of the league in innings, which would mean that the pen should be well rested, except that Martinez is swapping them out so often that they have a high number of appearances.

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So, the rotation leading the league in innings should mean the bullpen is not being pulverized. And, the innings pitched by the bullpen would second that notion. It is 14th in the National League coming into Tuesday’s game... Martinez has been caught in the trap where he’s burned both ends of the candle this season. His starting pitchers carried the bullpen until they couldn’t, but his shallow use of the options out there has also fatigued the bullpen by game 90. It’s a problem.

https://thesportscapitol.com/2018/07/10/nationals-have-paths-to-fix-pitching-question-is-how-long-it-will-take/

Slateman · « **Reply #1443 on:** July 11, 2018, 08:48:20 pm »

Quote from: Air Desmond on July 11, 2018, 05:49:02 pm

46-46

Davey is a dead man walking. Fired at the all star break.

Optics · « **Reply #1444 on:** July 11, 2018, 09:32:53 pm »

Davey is clearly learning on the job but I do think he is growing into it. I'm not going to blame him for Gio and Roark, proven vets, crapping the bed or Harper hitting under .220.

rileyn · « **Reply #1445 on:** July 12, 2018, 06:54:53 am »

Quote from: PowerBoater69 on July 11, 2018, 08:39:31 pm

Todd Dybas has a good article on why both the starters and bullpen are tired. The starters are at the top of the league in innings, which would mean that the pen should be well rested, except that Martinez is swapping them out so often that they have a high number of appearances.

https://thesportscapitol.com/2018/07/10/nationals-have-paths-to-fix-pitching-question-is-how-long-it-will-take/

Incredible. So Davey has somehow "managed" to have our starters lead the league in innings, and our relievers have the 2nd most innings pitched. I would have never thought that was possible. Great job, Davey. Keep up the good work.

bluestreak · « **Reply #1446 on:** July 12, 2018, 07:06:19 am »

Quote from: rileyn on July 12, 2018, 06:54:53 am

Incredible. So Davey has somehow "managed" to have our starters lead the league in innings, and our relievers have the 2nd most innings pitched. I would have never thought that was possible. Great job, Davey. Keep up the good work.

The guy has totally mismanaged the pitching staff. It’s going to be the downfall of this team, because I think eventually the bats will wake up.

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #1447 on:** July 12, 2018, 07:26:30 am »

Quote from: bluestreak on July 12, 2018, 07:06:19 am

The guy has totally mismanaged the pitching staff. It’s going to be the downfall of this team, because I think eventually the bats will wake up.

No reason to think the bats will wake up. Eaton and Murphy are still hurting. Wieters sucks. Difo and Taylor has mirage seasons last year. Harper can't figure it out. Despite the mismanagement they have one of the better team ERAs. It's the hitting that has failed them.

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #1448 on:** July 12, 2018, 07:29:14 am »

Quote from: rileyn on July 12, 2018, 06:54:53 am

Incredible. So Davey has somehow "managed" to have our starters lead the league in innings, and our relievers have the 2nd most innings pitched. I would have never thought that was possible. Great job, Davey. Keep up the good work.

I can't access the article. Don't understand this. The excerpt quoted below says the Nats are 14th in bullpen innings? Did you mean that they have a high number of appearances although fewer innings pitched than other teams? Otherwise this makes no sense mathematically. They cannot lead the league in starter and bullpen innings.

PowerBoater69 · « **Reply #1449 on:** July 12, 2018, 07:51:55 am »

Quote from: Natsinpwc on July 12, 2018, 07:29:14 am

I can't access the article. Don't understand this. The excerpt quoted below says the Nats are 14th in bullpen innings? Did you mean that they have a high number of appearances although fewer innings pitched than other teams? Otherwise this makes no sense mathematically. They cannot lead the league in starter and bullpen innings.

That's it, Martinez has managed to overwork our starters in total innings and our relievers in total appearances.