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Updated - who does Harper sign with?

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Offline Slateman

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Re: POLL: Bryce's team in 2019 will be.....
« Reply #1050: January 04, 2019, 10:19:05 PM »
Harper will play where he wants

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« Reply #1051: January 04, 2019, 11:16:14 PM »
Harper will play where he wants
I hope he wants to play second base!

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« Reply #1052: January 05, 2019, 12:00:30 AM »
if you are complaining because the Nats might sign Harper, you're looking for things to gripe about.  Ted is 93 and one of the richest owners in baseball.  He can eat Harpers contract AND the luxury tax that goes with it and never notice it's missing.

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« Reply #1053: January 05, 2019, 01:37:38 AM »


So does this spending extend to the bench? Can we bring in Joe Girardi tomorrow?

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« Reply #1054: January 05, 2019, 02:13:19 AM »
I gotta believe that if they bring him back it's to replace Zimm at 1B eventually. It's the only thing that makes sense.

Yeah. You'd think it would happen as soon as next year when we decline Zimmerman's option.

That's why I wonder if we are better off keeping Eaton around and platoon all 4 of Harper/Soto/Eaton/Robles and see what kind of 2B we can get for Michael Taylor.

Harper can get 200 AB at 1B when Zimm is on his yearly DL trip and it might be best to not throw Robles right into the fire.

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« Reply #1055: January 05, 2019, 02:43:30 AM »
Yeah. You'd think it would happen as soon as next year when we decline Zimmerman's option.

That's why I wonder if we are better off keeping Eaton around and platoon all 4 of Harper/Soto/Eaton/Robles and see what kind of 2B we can get for Michael Taylor.

Harper can get 200 AB at 1B when Zimm is on his yearly DL trip and it might be best to not throw Robles right into the fire.

I imagine they will rework Zim’s contract to keep him an extra year or two and bring down the overal AAV number.  Like 3 years 27 million (I’m making the number up).  He gets to retire a Nat and get 9 million extra bucks and it cuts his AAV number in half next season. So the nats would save almost 2 million in luxury tax. 

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« Reply #1056: January 05, 2019, 07:41:15 AM »
I imagine they will rework Zim’s contract to keep him an extra year or two and bring down the overal AAV number.  Like 3 years 27 million (I’m making the number up).  He gets to retire a Nat and get 9 million extra bucks and it cuts his AAV number in half next season. So the nats would save almost 2 million in luxury tax.

That would be an insane waste of money and only done for nostalgic purposes.

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« Reply #1057: January 05, 2019, 07:54:39 AM »
I imagine they will rework Zim’s contract to keep him an extra year or two and bring down the overal AAV number.  Like 3 years 27 million (I’m making the number up).  He gets to retire a Nat and get 9 million extra bucks and it cuts his AAV number in half next season. So the nats would save almost 2 million in luxury tax. 

Steve, the main writer from the Talk Nats blog, has been proposing this for a while, something along the lines of two extra years for $3.5 each, which would save $8 million in cap space for 2019. I disagree, I think that we suffer through one more year of Zimmerman and be done with him, better to have a $17 million cap hit now than $8 million for the next three years. His bat is worth the money but he kills us in the field and he keeps getting hurt.

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« Reply #1058: January 05, 2019, 08:01:04 AM »
If Harper returns does he still get a pass for not running out routine plays, not chasing balls into the corner, throwing to the wrong base? If he hits under .250 and he's making $35 million a year is he still a fan favorite? In any other city he's going to be expected to produce on a high level on a consistent basis and to give full effort every game, I wonder if he still gets a pass in DC.

In a podcast interview with Chelsea Janes she mentioned that she got a chilly reception from Harper at points last season because she questioned him on effort. She defended her questions by stating that it was obvious at times that he was not giving full effort in the field and he's being paid super star money.

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« Reply #1059: January 05, 2019, 09:08:17 AM »
I foresee hard times (not financially) ahead for BH, wherever he lands. No fan base or ownership is gonna be happy with anything less than a .300+ average, 35+ HRs, and 100+ RBI.

After 7 years, he's a .279 hitter who has driven in 100 runs only once in his career. Averages between 25-30 HR per year. On top of the hustle, injury and defense issues.

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« Reply #1060: January 05, 2019, 09:44:46 AM »
If Harper returns does he still get a pass for not running out routine plays, not chasing balls into the corner, throwing to the wrong base? If he hits under .250 and he's making $35 million a year is he still a fan favorite? In any other city he's going to be expected to produce on a high level on a consistent basis and to give full effort every game, I wonder if he still gets a pass in DC.

In a podcast interview with Chelsea Janes she mentioned that she got a chilly reception from Harper at points last season because she questioned him on effort. She defended her questions by stating that it was obvious at times that he was not giving full effort in the field and he's being paid super star money.
That’s why he is scared to go to Philly which is probably the only other team that has offered him what he wants. He won’t get a pass there.

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« Reply #1061: January 05, 2019, 09:58:47 AM »
That’s why he is scared to go to Philly which is probably the only other team that has offered him what he wants. He won’t get a pass there.

Free batteries could be a perk

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« Reply #1062: January 05, 2019, 10:11:15 AM »
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Michael J. Duarte
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Sources believe #Nationals are now favorites to land Bryce Harper. Followed by #Phillies and then everyone else. Washington offered Harper “Well over $300 million” (as reported by @JimBowdenGM) on a 10-year deal and source indicated “I would be surprised if he doesn’t sign It.”

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« Reply #1063: January 05, 2019, 10:23:09 AM »
If Zim is still productive "when healthy" which he still is, I have no issue keeping him around a few more years.

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« Reply #1064: January 05, 2019, 10:34:02 AM »
Free batteries could be a perk

I thought that was just at Iggles games?

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« Reply #1065: January 05, 2019, 11:17:10 AM »
Free batteries could be a perk
Those little lithium batteries don’t hurt one bit. Even Mike Trout throws them at Eagles games.

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« Reply #1066: January 05, 2019, 11:27:36 AM »
Honestly, I dont think so. It's highly likely that whatever deal brings him back here will have an opt out. Likely an early one. They could roll another year with Harper in CF. Between him and Eaton's injury histories,  Robles will be playing everyday by June
Maybe if it was the 300 million with lots of deferred money contract, they'd have thrown in some early opt outs.  I don't see the Lerners guaranteeing 350+ million even if he's hurt/sucks and giving him the chance to opt out if he wins the next 2 mvps.   They're going to want some potential reward for their risk.

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« Reply #1067: January 05, 2019, 11:36:49 AM »
I think the basic disconnect between the players/agents and teams is these guy wanting long term deals but then also opt outs. All the advantage to the players. Cant see a team giving either Harper or Machado a 7 year deal with opt outs starting soon.

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« Reply #1068: January 05, 2019, 12:15:16 PM »
I foresee hard times (not financially) ahead for BH, wherever he lands. No fan base or ownership is gonna be happy with anything less than a .300+ average, 35+ HRs, and 100+ RBI.

After 7 years, he's a .279 hitter who has driven in 100 runs only once in his career. Averages between 25-30 HR per year. On top of the hustle, injury and defense issues.


-Six All Star berths
-Rookie of the Year
-2015 MVP
-10 players since 1901 have been regular players for seven full seasons at the age of 25

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Only eight others had ever hit .330 with 42 homers and a .460 on-base percentage in a single season, and most of the names on that list (Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Jimmy Foxx, Ted Williams, Mickey Mantle, Barry Bonds, Todd Helton and Jason Giambi) stand as the greatest hitters the game has ever known.

That Harper now joins that group is impressive enough. That he did it at age 22, with a full career still ahead of him, only adds to the significance. He's the fourth-youngest MVP ever, bested only by Vida Blue (1971), Johnny Bench (1970) and Stan Musial (1943
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsports.com/washington/washington-nationals/bryce-harper-named-nl-mvp-after-historic-season%3famp

It's been truly amazing what Harper has done at the age of 25.


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« Reply #1069: January 05, 2019, 12:15:25 PM »
recapping the rumors:

http://kcmsports.com/2019/01/05/report-nationals-emerge-as-favorites-to-sign-bryce-harper/

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As the Bryce Harper sweepstakes drags on, it appears the Washington Nationals have emerged as the favorites to re-sign the 26-year old. According to Michael J. Duarte of NBC LA, the Los Angeles Dodgers are out of the running for Harper for now and the Nationals appear destined to re-sign him.

According to Duarte, the Dodgers are only interested in four or five-year deals. Harper is seeking a 10-year contract. Washington offered a $300 million, 10-year deal in September that Harper rejected. However, as the list of teams dropping out of the sweepstakes is increasing.

The Chicago White Sox are only interested in a seven-year deal. The Philadelphia Phillies are the only other known team prepared to commit to a 10-year deal with Harper, however, according to Dan Federico of Bleacher Report, former Nats teammate Jayson Werth “has a big part in Harper not liking Philly.”

The New York Yankees appear out of the running without trading Giancarlo Stanton’s mega contract, according to Federico.

Offline DCFan

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« Reply #1070: January 05, 2019, 12:21:08 PM »
So it looks like the Lerners are bidding against themselves and he’ll be back. Oh boy.

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« Reply #1071: January 05, 2019, 12:24:37 PM »

-Six All Star berths
-Rookie of the Year
-2015 MVP
-10 players since 1901 have been regular players for seven full seasons at the age of 25
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsports.com/washington/washington-nationals/bryce-harper-named-nl-mvp-after-historic-season%3famp

It's been truly amazing what Harper has done at the age of 25.

The problem is, is 2015 an outlier? Granted being able to have that season, even as an outlier means you are incredibly talented, but I don’t want to pay for the promise of a 9 win season when you only get 4. Both mean you’re a very good player, but they are completely different kettles of fish.

Justin Morneau and Jimmy Rollins have won MVPs

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« Reply #1072: January 05, 2019, 12:31:30 PM »

-Six All Star berths
-Rookie of the Year
-2015 MVP
-10 players since 1901 have been regular players for seven full seasons at the age of 25
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsports.com/washington/washington-nationals/bryce-harper-named-nl-mvp-after-historic-season%3famp

It's been truly amazing what Harper has done at the age of 25.



How many seasons was he one of the best three players on the team based on WAR? Twice?

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« Reply #1073: January 05, 2019, 12:33:08 PM »
he projects to be around a 4 offensive WAR player over the next few years.  Fangraphs has a WAR valued at around $10 million, so $30 million a year or so doesn't seem to be out of line with his value. at least on offense.  The gamble is that his 2018 -3.2 dWAR is an outlier (previous years he was around a 0 dWAR player).

Shift him back into RF, have Robles in CF, and his dWAR should improve.  So its $30-35 million a year for 4 wins versus Adam Eaton at $10 million.  Eaton was a 1.8 WAR player in 2018, 0.9 in 17, and around a 4.5 WAR player from 2014-2016.

How many seasons was he one of the best three players on the team based on WAR? Twice?

2012, 2015, and 2017

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« Reply #1074: January 05, 2019, 12:34:23 PM »
The dude is 25 years old and had statistically one of the best seasons in the past 100 years. That wasn't some fluke.