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Offline UMDNats

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #425 on: November 15, 2018, 03:10:22 pm »
To me 175+ IP is a full season for a starter, I'd actually rather have them hit the DL for a week or two to skip a couple to rest up than push to 200 IP non-stop. 200 IP to me is a workhorse.

He's pitched 175 IP 3 times in his career. Durable? No. But he's pitched a full season at an elite level and saying he hasn't is a lie.
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Offline Slateman

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #426 on: November 15, 2018, 03:10:48 pm »
Quote from: varoadking on November 15, 2018, 03:08:44 pm
The general consensus here was that those sucked as well...
So if you have to pick suckage, you pick the one that costs less
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Online Natsinpwc

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #427 on: November 15, 2018, 03:14:58 pm »
Quote from: mitlen on November 15, 2018, 02:24:49 pm
Who is "us" kemosabe?     :)
And it still goes on and on and on!

I’m going to start now on bringing Gio back. Good price. Lots of quality starts. Or at least the ones that last four innings.
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Offline mitlen

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #428 on: November 15, 2018, 03:16:49 pm »
Quote from: Natsinpwc on November 15, 2018, 03:14:58 pm
And it still goes on and on and on!

I’m going to start now on bringing Gio back. Good price. Lots of quality starts. Or at least the ones that last four innings.

It is pretty good for a snowy day here in the DMV.    Gotta admit.
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Online Natsinpwc

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #429 on: November 15, 2018, 03:16:55 pm »
Quote from: UMDNats on November 15, 2018, 03:10:22 pm
To me 175+ IP is a full season for a starter, I'd actually rather have them hit the DL for a week or two to skip a couple to rest up than push to 200 IP non-stop. 200 IP to me is a workhorse.

He's pitched 175 IP 3 times in his career. Durable? No. But he's pitched a full season at an elite level and saying he hasn't is a lie.
A couple weeks on the DL is fine. Last year was much more than that. Let’s hope it’s not a trend.
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Online Natsinpwc

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #430 on: November 15, 2018, 03:18:04 pm »
Quote from: mitlen on November 15, 2018, 03:16:49 pm
It is pretty good for a snowy day here in the DMV.    Gotta admit.
We got ice. Lots of power outages.

Watching Slate is like watching Rembrandt or Picasso for me.
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Offline varoadking

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #431 on: November 15, 2018, 03:18:34 pm »
Quote from: UMDNats on November 15, 2018, 03:10:22 pm
To me 175+ IP is a full season for a starter, I'd actually rather have them hit the DL for a week or two to skip a couple to rest up than push to 200 IP non-stop. 200 IP to me is a workhorse.

He's pitched 175 IP 3 times in his career. Durable? No. But he's pitched a full season at an elite level and saying he hasn't is a lie.

One season in 9 - 2014?  You seem pretty butthurt over this issue so I'll just leave it alone now, but I think you missed the point...and I don't recall anyone saying he'd never pitched a full season...
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Offline mitlen

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #432 on: November 15, 2018, 03:19:13 pm »
Quote from: UMDNats on November 15, 2018, 03:10:22 pm
To me 175+ IP is a full season for a starter, I'd actually rather have them hit the DL for a week or two to skip a couple to rest up than push to 200 IP non-stop. 200 IP to me is a workhorse.

He's pitched 175 IP 3 times in his career. Durable? No. But he's pitched a full season at an elite level and saying he hasn't is a lie.

I don't follow the science.    If he's not durable and hasn't been available, how has he been elite for a full season?    We can all agree he's elite (mostly) when he's available.       
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Offline varoadking

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #433 on: November 15, 2018, 03:19:20 pm »
Quote from: Natsinpwc on November 15, 2018, 03:18:04 pm
We got ice. Lots of power outages.

Watching Slate is like watching Rembrandt or Picasso for me.

More like Pee Wee Herman...
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Offline varoadking

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #434 on: November 15, 2018, 03:20:13 pm »
Quote from: mitlen on November 15, 2018, 03:19:13 pm
I don't follow the science.    If he's not durable and hasn't been available, how has he been elite for a full season?    We can all agree he's elite (mostly) when he's available.       

14-11 season with 3.14 ERA is elite these days...or I guess it was in 2014...
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Offline mitlen

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #435 on: November 15, 2018, 03:21:57 pm »
Quote from: Natsinpwc on November 15, 2018, 03:18:04 pm
We got ice. Lots of power outages.

Watching Slate is like watching Rembrandt or Picasso for me.

I'm a George Caleb Bingham or Frederic Remington man myself.
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Offline varoadking

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #436 on: November 15, 2018, 03:23:39 pm »
Quote from: mitlen on November 15, 2018, 03:21:57 pm
I'm a George Caleb Bingham or Frederic Remington man myself.

Old School...Norman Rockwell...

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Offline UMDNats

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #437 on: November 15, 2018, 03:25:19 pm »
Quote from: mitlen on November 15, 2018, 03:19:13 pm
I don't follow the science.    If he's not durable and hasn't been available, how has he been elite for a full season?    We can all agree he's elite (mostly) when he's available.       

People were saying they would love if they could see a full season of elite strasburg, when we already have seen that from him.

Quote from: varoadking on November 15, 2018, 03:20:13 pm
14-11 season with 3.14 ERA is elite these days...or I guess it was in 2014...

9th in the Cy Young voting, led the league in strikeouts, I mean we're splitting hairs and people just want reasons to hate Strasburg and call him weak or whatever but the facts are that he has shown he can be one of the league's best over a full season, even if people want to mindfact that he hasn't.

I wish he could stay healthy more often because we know it's possible. Guy is just going to always be a "get 25-28 starts of very good, sometimes elite, maybe we get lucky and get 30 starts."

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Offline mitlen

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #438 on: November 15, 2018, 03:25:38 pm »
Quote from: varoadking on November 15, 2018, 03:20:13 pm
14-11 season with 3.14 ERA is elite these days...or I guess it was in 2014...

Oh, you mean like deGrom winnin' the Cy Young.     :couch:
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Offline varoadking

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #439 on: November 15, 2018, 03:27:08 pm »
Clearly the Hot Stove is heating up...
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Offline mitlen

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #440 on: November 15, 2018, 03:28:23 pm »
Quote from: UMDNats on November 15, 2018, 03:25:19 pm
People were saying they would love if they could see a full season of elite strasburg, when we already have seen that.

I'm one of those guys.    I think we may be pickin' the white out of chicken crap.    We all think he's elite.    I guess our definition of a full season varies.    For me, being there on the first day and then being there on the last day does not make a full season.    I like regular starts in between.   Regular (like Max) is the key thing for me in the definition of a "full season".     Must be the damned snow makin' us quibble.
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Offline mitlen

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #441 on: November 15, 2018, 03:29:19 pm »
Quote from: varoadking on November 15, 2018, 03:27:08 pm
Clearly the Hot Stove is heating up...


Any Harper sightings?
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Online Natsinpwc

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #442 on: November 15, 2018, 03:29:37 pm »
Quote from: varoadking on November 15, 2018, 03:19:20 pm
More like Pee Wee Herman...
Another master.
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Offline varoadking

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #443 on: November 15, 2018, 03:29:38 pm »
Quote from: UMDNats on November 15, 2018, 03:25:19 pm
People were saying they would love if they could see a full season of elite strasburg, when we already have seen that from him.

9th in the Cy Young voting, led the league in strikeouts, I mean we're splitting hairs and people just want reasons to hate Strasburg and call him weak or whatever but the facts are that he has shown he can be one of the league's best over a full season, even if people want to mindfact that he hasn't.

You're really reaching, dude...he got his nickname for a reason...
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Offline varoadking

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #444 on: November 15, 2018, 03:31:50 pm »
Quote from: mitlen on November 15, 2018, 03:29:19 pm
Any Harper sightings?

I wish he'd just go already...
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Offline mitlen

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #445 on: November 15, 2018, 03:37:25 pm »
Quote from: varoadking on November 15, 2018, 03:31:50 pm
I wish he'd just go already...

Me too.    Is there some sort of MLBPA/League deadline or can this go on til spring training?
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Offline varoadking

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #446 on: November 15, 2018, 03:40:39 pm »
Quote from: mitlen on November 15, 2018, 03:37:25 pm
Me too.    Is there some sort of MLBPA/League deadline or can this go on til spring training?

I think it can go on until he is signed somewhere...

All I know is that the Nats offer of $300/10 is off the table, so they can just move on if they choose to...

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Offline Slateman

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #447 on: November 15, 2018, 03:46:31 pm »
Quote from: varoadking on November 15, 2018, 03:31:50 pm
I wish he'd just go already...

You're going ot be so disappointed when he signs here for 10/365 million
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Offline UMDNats

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #448 on: November 15, 2018, 03:47:36 pm »
Quote from: varoadking on November 15, 2018, 03:31:50 pm
I wish he'd just go already...

to your cubbies :stir:
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Offline varoadking

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #449 on: November 15, 2018, 03:48:08 pm »
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