2018-2019 Offseason Moves

[Slateman]

I’m willing to take all that salary in return for dogcrap

If they aren’t willing than move on.

They've specifically said they will eat some of his salary to move him. That makes him far more valuable.

At 30 million, hes an expensive r number 3. At 20 million, hes not.

Yanks just gave up a top prospect to get Paxton.

Paxton has two more years of team control. If the litmus test is what the Yankees gave up for Paxton, then for the Nats ti give up Keiboom, the Dbacks would have to eat at least half of Greinke's salary.

[Natsinpwc]

They've specifically said they will eat some of his salary to move him. That makes him far more valuable.

At 30 million, hes an expensive r number 3. At 20 million, hes not.

Paxton has two more years of team control. If the litmus test is what the Yankees gave up for Paxton, then for the Nats ti give up Keiboom, the Dbacks would have to eat at least half of Greinke's salary.

We will see. All it takes is a couple teams bidding to drive up the price. I think they wait until the trade deadline.

[raleighnat]

I won't treat him like that because I don't boo. I will just treat him like any other opposing player.

There are of course some unusual situations where a guy might have a long career here and then come back...

I don't think you'll have to boo him.  I think Ted keeps him.   Doesn't mean it's smart, just what I think he'll do. 

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Yanks just gave up a top prospect to get Paxton.

mid-50s.  That's not top.  we just don't have an equivalent. Kieboom > Sheffield, Garcia < Shefflield.

[Natsinpwc]

mid-50s.  That's not top.  we just don't have an equivalent. Kieboom > Sheffield, Garcia < Shefflield.

At his position. I believe he has been the number three or four LHP. And I believe the other pitcher had also reached Triple A. They were looking for pitching. Too bad the Nats didn’t get Paxton.

I understand that Greinke has been very good even with diminished velocity. However the Nats number one pitcher is turning 35 this year. The number two is 30 with the body of a 40 year old. And if he bounces back he might exercise his option to leave. They desperately need a pitcher who can anchor the staff 3-5 years down the road.

[Slateman]

mid-50s.  That's not top.  we just don't have an equivalent. Kieboom > Sheffield, Garcia < Shefflield.

Shefield is a top 50 prospect in all of baseball. Hes just as much of a top prospect as Carter Keiboom is.

[Baseball is Life]

No wonder the Nats can’t win with fans that don’t boo the opponents.

[Baseball is Life]

I don't think you'll have to boo him.  I think Ted keeps him.   Doesn't mean it's smart, just what I think he'll do. 

This. I think the Nats will figure out a way to keep him. I'm thinking of a deferred payment deal like Scherzer's.

[NJ Ave]

17th in ERA
10th in WHIP
19th in K’s
17th in Wins

Not in N.L.... MLB

Yes he is in the top. 30 teams minimum 5 SP per = minimum 150 SP.

I assume, based on a quick check, that these ranks are out of the 56 QUALIFIED SP. So you're saying that in most of those stats he's at the bottom of the top third of qualified starting pitchers? I never said he wasn't still a decent starting pitcher.

There's really no reason to prefer the same cost for 3 years of Zack Greinke that it would cost for 4/5 years of Patrick Corbin or Dallas Keuchel, both of whom are 5 years younger and were just as good or better last season, both of whom are projected to be as good next season.

I don't think what I'm saying is particularly controversial. Clayton Kershaw just signed for 3/$93 million. Zack Greinke costs 3/$102 million. It's pretty easy to say he's still a decent SP but isn't worth that money.

[HalfSmokes]

They desperately need a pitcher who can anchor the staff 3-5 years down the road.

At some point they have to develop one. A young free agent anchor is going to cost a ton, a cost controlled young anchor is going to cost the farm

[Slateman]

At some point they have to develop one. A young free agent anchor is going to cost a ton, a cost controlled young anchor is going to cost the farm

Exactly.  You want a cost controlled ace? Then you dont keep Robles in CF.

[hotshot]

Shefield is a top 50 prospect in all of baseball. Hes just as much of a top prospect as Carter Keiboom is.

Agree. Yanks were holding on to Sheffield like we are Robles. Supposedly, they turned down all deals last season with teams demanding Justus as a part.

[imref]

Agree. Yanks were holding on to Sheffield like we are Robles. Supposedly, they turned down all deals last season with teams demanding Justus as a part.

MLB had him #31 overall, and #4 among pitchers, so figure he's a bit under Giolitto was at a similar point in his career.

[UMDNats]

The chatter around the Yankees was that Sheffield was overrated a little bit because he walks a lot of guys and they were possibly moving him this offseason for a guy like Paxton, so not surprised. They really didn't give up that much. He's good but basically where Giolito was.

[CoryTheFormerExposFan]

He’s ready to fall off the cliff. In any event given how could he has been what do you think it would take to get him? Robles?

He already has been successful the last few years with diminished velo.  Those types age well.

[hotshot]

Sheffield being a lefty starter doesn't hurt his value but agree he's not a can't miss type of prospect.

Question for those who read the scouting reports religiously. I recall at this time last year there was a poll among scouts observing the Arizona Fall League as to who they preferred between Acuna, Jr and Robles. Came out pretty much a tie with the Robles-backing group citing his defense, batting eye and sweet swing sustainability, and Acuna's group going for his superior "pop."

Now that Acuna has been named the NL ROY and Robles got some late run with the Nationals, do you think Robles has slipped any from where he was evaluated in the Fall of 2017? Put another way, using Acuna Jr's 2018 season as a benchmark, do the scouts expect the same type year in 2019 from Robles, impact-wise? Or yet another way, has Robles' trade value decreased at all from a year ago?

[Slateman]

No, he didnt

[imref]

Now that Acuna has been named the NL ROY and Robles got some late run with the Nationals, do you think Robles has slipped any from where he was evaluated in the Fall of 2017? Put another way, using Acuna Jr's 2018 season as a benchmark, do the scouts expect the same type year in 2019 from Robles, impact-wise? Or yet another way, has Robles' trade value decreased at all from a year ago?

I think his value definitely dipped after the injury, but the .288 / .348 / .525 he put up in September with the big club pretty much locks him into being the starting CF to open the season next year, and being a projected ROY candidate.  I really hope we don't sign Harper and then trade Robles.

[Slateman]

https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1065286889618460674

Syndergarrd

[Greg_SRT]

https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1065286889618460674

Syndergarrd

Doesn’t he have health history concerns? Need that like we need another hole in the head.

[Slateman]

Doesn’t he have health history concerns? Need that like we need another hole in the head.

Any pitcher you acquire will have them

[Greg_SRT]

Any pitcher you acquire will have them

As often as Thor and Stras?

[hotshot]

I think his value definitely dipped after the injury, but the .288 / .348 / .525 he put up in September with the big club pretty much locks him into being the starting CF to open the season next year, and being a projected ROY candidate. I really hope we don't sign Harper and then trade Robles.

Totally with you on that. Bryce is gonna get paid (or should I say waaay overpaid). Much rather keep Robles and spend the Bryce money elsewhere.

[Slateman]

As often as Thor and Stras?

Syndergaard is better for 150 innings than just about anyone you could realistically trade for who pitches 200

[imref]

Totally with you on that. Bryce is gonna get paid (or should I say waaay overpaid). Much rather keep Robles and spend the Bryce money elsewhere.

my first preference is to keep Harper and trade Eaton.