2018-2019 Offseason Moves

[Slateman]

You have got to be kidding me. Rendon will be lucky to get half what Bryce will.

Then someone's getting a steal. Back to back 6 WAR seasons.

https://www.fishstripes.com/2017/5/12/15414876/marlins-jt-realmuto-living-double-life-home-road-splits

That BABIP away is just too flukey. I personally think that Kieboom has more value to hold onto as a piece in 2020, and hopefully Rendon signs an extension. 2B can be filled via a one year deal on the market for cheap.

His BABIP away last season was .311.

Why is it so hard to believe that he hits better when hes not in a park with a crappy batters eye that saps power

[Mattionals]

Then someone's getting a steal. Back to back 6 WAR seasons.

His BABIP away last season was .311.

Why is it so hard to believe that he hits better when hes not in a park with a crappy batters eye that saps power

Because other hitters who have played in that park have never been THAT bad there. If you didn't read the article, then there is no reason to even argue anymore.

[Slateman]

Because other hitters who have played in that park have never been THAT bad there. If you didn't read the article, then there is no reason to even argue anymore.

Your article was written in May. If 2017.

Yelich had a similarly dramatic difference in his home/away splits in 2017.

The guy has over 1100 plate appearances away from Miami. Its not a small sample size or a fluke. It's obvious he simply doesnt like hitting there. Take him out of that park and hes a legit MVP candidate.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Janes had a piece yesterday that I think is spot-on. It basically said that, if Harper's not back and the Nats look to deal, Soto and Robles are untouchable and that one of C. Kieboom or Luis Garcia will be kept.  IF Harper's back, then Eaton can be moved. 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/11/23/what-does-mike-rizzos-trade-history-tell-us-about-this-nationals-offseason/

Diamondbacks right-hander Zack Greinke is 35, but perhaps the Nationals could pry him away if Arizona agreed to pay part of his record-breaking salary. But Robbie Ray, dealt to Detroit in the deal for Fister, might also be available, and he is 27 and under team control until 2021. Ray seems like more of a fit logistically, though his contract terms would probably require sending a greater prospect haul to Arizona.
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Whoever Rizzo chases, those deals for Fister and Gonzalez constitute a small sample size that nevertheless indicates his willingness to part with prospects to get top-line starting pitchers. ...

Does he have the prospects to create that kind of package this time? Yes. While Rizzo has indicated that Victor Robles, Juan Soto and one of Carter Kieboom and Luis Garcia are as close to untouchable as can be, he still has Kieboom or Garcia and other promising options to deal. And as the Kelvin Herrera trade (and others before it, including the Jonathan Papelbon deal) indicates, other teams often value less-heralded Nationals prospects as potential big league regulars. Rizzo doesn’t mind parting with them, either.

Also mentions Marcus Stroman. 

I'd consider shopping a package of one of Kieboom / Garcia, plus Romero and Fedde, for the best pitcher you can get.  You can dress that up with a lower minors prospect or two.  Teams have had some luck grabbing guy from our system, so those lower minors guys might be attractive.  I'm not sure that's enough for Ray, but perhaps they have interest in Michael Taylor, who can move in to replace Pollard right away?

[hotshot]

Seems to me that some here are putting an inflated value on C. Kieboom and Garcia. As if they are at least within hailing distance of Robles as a prospect. I don't see it that way and I doubt potential trading partners do either.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Seems to me that some here are putting an inflated value on C. Kieboom and Garcia. As if they are at least within hailing distance of Robles as a prospect. I don't see it that way and I doubt potential trading partners do either.

Kieboom is a top 50 prospect (#34 on MLB.com's list) and Garcia is probably top 100 with more upside.

[Natsinpwc]

Seems to me that some here are putting an inflated value on C. Kieboom and Garcia. As if they are at least within hailing distance of Robles as a prospect. I don't see it that way and I doubt potential trading partners do either.

Kiebooms numbers are as good as Robles. And he plays the infield.

[Slateman]

Kiebooms numbers are as good as Robles. And he plays the infield.

Oh really? I missed the part where Keiboom hit .324/.394/.489 in Double A.

I also missed the part where Keiboom has 70 grades on his fielding, arm, and speed.

Carter Keiboom is nowhere near as vaulable as Robles.

[Slateman]

Kieboom is a top 50 prospect (#34 on MLB.com's list) and Garcia is probably top 100 with more upside.

Robles is currently #4.

[Expos]

I'm not trading either Carter Keiboom or Luis Garcia.

Rendon is only under contract for another season. Keiboom will start at 3B if he leaves.

Difo and Kendrick can hold 2B down for a year but Garcia is our 2B of the future.

A future infield of 3B- Keiboom, SS- Turner, 2B- Garcia could be one of the best young groups in the league.

Now if we extend Rendon then one of Keiboom or Garcia can be moved for a pitcher but not until that day comes.

We have some nice young players in Turner, Soto, Robles, Keiboom and Garcia. Don't trade them away for a quick fix or especially not for a 35 year old pitcher.

[Natsinpwc]

Robles is currently #4.

Aren’t you the one who said he hasn’t demonstrated he can hit MLB pitching?

[Natsinpwc]

Oh really? I missed the part where Keiboom hit .324/.394/.489 in Double A.

I also missed the part where Keiboom has 70 grades on his fielding, arm, and speed.

Carter Keiboom is nowhere near as vaulable as Robles.

Robles has a career .849 OPS in the minors. Kieboom is .820. There is not that much separating them.

[Natsinpwc]

I'm not trading either Carter Keiboom or Luis Garcia.

Rendon is only under contract for another season. Keiboom will start at 3B if he leaves.

Difo and Kendrick can hold 2B down for a year but Garcia is our 2B of the future.

A future infield of 3B- Keiboom, SS- Turner, 2B- Garcia could be one of the best young groups in the league.

Now if we extend Rendon then one of Keiboom or Garcia can be moved for a pitcher but not until that day comes.

We have some nice young players in Turner, Soto, Robles, Keiboom and Garcia. Don't trade them away for a quick fix or especially not for a 35 year old pitcher.

[Slateman]

Robles has a career .849 OPS in the minors. Kieboom is .820. There is not that much separating them.

There's a lot that is separating them. Mainly that Keiboom hasn't done crap at the Double A level. They are no where near each other.

[Natsinpwc]

There's a lot that is separating them. Mainly that Keiboom hasn't done crap at the Double A level. They are no where near each other.

You said Robles was going to be a bust in one of the game threads in September. You lack credibility.

[Slateman]

You said Robles was going to be a bust in one of the game threads in September. You lack credibility.

You're saying Keiboom is comparable to Robles based on how they hit in the minors. You lack knowledge.

[Natsinpwc]

You're saying Keiboom is comparable to Robles based on how they hit in the minors. You lack knowledge.

Kieboom did fine in the Fall League. He’s a top 50 prospect. You’re just trolling again.

[Slateman]

Kieboom did fine in the Fall League. He’s a top 50 prospect. You’re just trolling again.

I'm trolling?

Robles has a career .849 OPS in the minors. Kieboom is .820. There is not that much separating them.

This is trolling. Pretending for a second that minor league stats mean crap, particularly when most of them are High A ball and below is trolling.

There's a world of difference between the number 4 prospect, who is projected to be an elite player, and Keiboom, who is projected to be a good player.

Robles is Lorenzo Cain. Keiboom is Eduardo Escobar. Those two are not close at all.

[Natsinpwc]

I'm trolling?

This is trolling. Pretending for a second that minor league stats mean crap, particularly when most of them are High A ball and below is trolling.

There's a world of difference between the number 4 prospect, who is projected to be an elite player, and Keiboom, who is projected to be a good player.

Robles is Lorenzo Cain. Keiboom is Eduardo Escobar. Those two are not close at all.

I thought Robles was a bust?

Lucky Rizzo will not follow your path.

[hotshot]

Kieboom is a top 50 prospect (#34 on MLB.com's list) and Garcia is probably top 100 with more upside.

Wasn't Matt Skole Top 50 at one point? Admittedly, an injury never allowed us to see whether he was legit or not.

[Slateman]

I thought Robles was a bust?

Lucky Rizzo will not follow your path.

I don't think Robles will live up to the hype. His speed ensures that he will stay in MLB. So basically Cameron Maybin is his floor.

Wasn't Matt Skole Top 50 at one point? Admittedly, an injury never allowed us to see whether he was legit or not.

No, don't think so. But there are plenty of guys who were and didn't pan out. Drew Hensen, Jesus Montero, and Matt LaPorta come to mind.

[Natsinpwc]

I don't think Robles will live up to the hype. His speed ensures that he will stay in MLB. So basically Cameron Maybin is his floor.

No, don't think so. But there are plenty of guys who were and didn't pan out. Drew Hensen, Jesus Montero, and Matt LaPorta come to mind.

I want them to keep Robles and Kieboom. And Soto. If they don’t sign Harper they have money to sign free agent pitchers. Not signing Rendon will free up more money.

[Slateman]

I want them to keep Robles and Kieboom. And Soto. If they don’t sign Harper they have money to sign free agent pitchers. Not signing Rendon will free up more money.

I want them to be competitive while they still have a chance. In two years, this team will have a ton of money wrapped up in injuries or non-producers. Having Keiboom and Robles isn't going to change that, nor keep them from being an ~80 win team.

[Natsinpwc]

I want them to be competitive while they still have a chance. In two years, this team will have a ton of money wrapped up in injuries or non-producers. Having Keiboom and Robles isn't going to change that, nor keep them from being an ~80 win team.

Sorry. Disagree. Keeping them lets you stay competitive for a while.

[Slateman]

Sorry. Disagree. Keeping them lets you stay competitive for a while.

Maybe you missed where we had similar and better production from those spots this season and weren't competitive at all. Somehow Scherzer not being an ace and Strasburg spending more time on the DL keeps us competitive for a while?