Author Topic: Bryce Harper 2018 and beyond (Read 155615 times)

UMDNats · « **Reply #1450 on:** July 20, 2018, 11:29:57 am »

Quote from: aBaltoNat on July 20, 2018, 10:38:25 am

Calling it now...he signs a 1 yr $30M extension.

Will try to recoup some value on the market for the following year and even if he doesn't, he knows we'll give him another $30M the following year.

I think it'll be more like a 3-year, $75 million contract with an opt-out after two.

CoryTheFormerExposFan · « **Reply #1451 on:** July 20, 2018, 12:03:47 pm »

I think some of your are going way overboard on this notion his value has significantly dropped and he needs to rebuild his value. Manny Machado had a very similarly bad first half last year. Teams know what Bryce Harper brings to the table. His value might be slightly lower now than it was in April, but when you're talking about the kind of dollars he's looking at, it's a drop in the bucket in the long run. NO WAY he gambles on signing some 1 year deal when he can lock himself into guaranteed HUGE money long-term. NO WAY. There are situations where it makes sense to "rebuild" value and roll the dice, but this isn't it at all. Why try and "rebuild" your value from 30 mill a year to 35 mill a year or whatever over 10 years when you could slump again next year, suffer a terrible injury, etc? If you can sign a 200, 300, 400? million dollar deal long-term, you DO IT. You don't risk it all to add a few million more per year.

Slateman · « **Reply #1452 on:** July 20, 2018, 01:00:14 pm »

Quote from: CoryTheFormerExposFan on July 20, 2018, 12:03:47 pm

I think some of your are going way overboard on this notion his value has significantly dropped and he needs to rebuild his value. Manny Machado had a very similarly bad first half last year. Teams know what Bryce Harper brings to the table. His value might be slightly lower now than it was in April, but when you're talking about the kind of dollars he's looking at, it's a drop in the bucket in the long run. NO WAY he gambles on signing some 1 year deal when he can lock himself into guaranteed HUGE money long-term. NO WAY. There are situations where it makes sense to "rebuild" value and roll the dice, but this isn't it at all. Why try and "rebuild" your value from 30 mill a year to 35 mill a year or whatever over 10 years when you could slump again next year, suffer a terrible injury, etc? If you can sign a 200, 300, 400? million dollar deal long-term, you DO IT. You don't risk it all to add a few million more per year.

Uh, there's a few major differences between Machado and Harper

1. Machado didn't get hurt last year.
2. Machado has been remarkably consistent at the plate since his rookie year. Harper hasn't.
3. Machado plays elite defense at a position. Harper doesn't.

No one knows what Harper brings to the table because he's never consistently brought it to the table.

Harper's deal will be structured much like Heywards, with plenty of player options and a lot of money on the back end.

hotshot · « **Reply #1453 on:** July 20, 2018, 01:24:19 pm »

Quote from: Greg_SRT on July 17, 2018, 10:39:51 am

A career .277 and .894 OPS hitter can't hit real game pitching?

I'm sure Bryce is disappointed and a bit ashamed that he's a career .277 hitter. Not even close to what was expected.

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #1454 on:** July 20, 2018, 01:30:53 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on July 20, 2018, 01:00:14 pm

Uh, there's a few major differences between Machado and Harper

1. Machado didn't get hurt last year.
2. Machado has been remarkably consistent at the plate since his rookie year. Harper hasn't.
3. Machado plays elite defense at a position. Harper doesn't.

No one knows what Harper brings to the table because he's never consistently brought it to the table.

Harper's deal will be structured much like Heywards, with plenty of player options and a lot of money on the back end.

True except he does not play elite defense at SS which is what he will play the rest of this year. In fact he is at the bottom of defensive metrics. Apparently he wants to play SS going forward. Kind of dumb on his part.

Slateman · « **Reply #1455 on:** July 20, 2018, 01:47:30 pm »

Quote from: Natsinpwc on July 20, 2018, 01:30:53 pm

True except he does not play elite defense at SS which is what he will play the rest of this year. In fact he is at the bottom of defensive metrics. Apparently he wants to play SS going forward. Kind of dumb on his part.

His instance on playing short is moronic, but he is easily a gold glove contender at third base. Even if he starts at short, he will likely end up moving to third during his career. I think he will see the light when so few people are willing to pay him to play short stop so badly.

spidernat · « **Reply #1456 on:** July 20, 2018, 03:00:16 pm »

Quote from: UMDNats on July 20, 2018, 11:29:57 am

I think it'll be more like a 3-year, $75 million contract with an opt-out after two.

I could get on board for this scenario.

Baseball is Life · « **Reply #1457 on:** July 20, 2018, 03:45:24 pm »

Quote from: hotshot on July 20, 2018, 01:24:19 pm

I'm sure Bryce is disappointed and a bit ashamed that he's a career .277 hitter. Not even close to what was expected.

Expected by who? I expected a career .280-.300 power hitter. That's what he is. If someone expected a perennial Triple Crown threat, than that's on them.

Baseball is Life · « **Reply #1458 on:** July 20, 2018, 03:50:43 pm »

Quote from: bluestreak on July 19, 2018, 04:59:36 pm

I think this is my major issue with this board. The attitude among many folks here is that you really can't be happy about anything other than a World Series win. I may be putting words in her mouth, but she didn't say that it was "as worthy of a celebration as a World Series win." She said it was worthy of a celebration.

If somebody can't be happy with anything less than reaching the pinnacle of their sport, then that makes for a pretty miserable existence. I mean that for fans and players.

Of course it's not as exciting or important as winning the World Series, but it certainly is worthy of some celebration. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

I'm with you on this. For example, people who say winning division titles doesn't mean anything because they didn't advance rub me the wrong way. Yes, yes, we all want to win the WS. But you can't say everything else is a failure. But I have to admit Ricky Bobby is funny for his "if you ain't first, you're last" quote.

mitlen · « **Reply #1459 on:** July 20, 2018, 03:52:05 pm »

Quote from: Baseball is Life on July 20, 2018, 03:50:43 pm

I'm with you on this. For example, people who say winning division titles doesn't mean anything because they didn't advance rub me the wrong way. Yes, yes, we all want to win the WS. But you can't say everything else is a failure. But I have to admit Ricky Bobby is funny for his "if you ain't first, you're last" quote.

Life is like a dog sled team. If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.

Not sure where that came from for attribution.

RiotAct · « **Reply #1460 on:** July 20, 2018, 05:10:59 pm »

Quote from: mitlen on July 20, 2018, 03:52:05 pm

Life is like a dog sled team. If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.

Not sure where that came from for attribution.

F.P. Santangelo.

mitlen · « **Reply #1461 on:** July 20, 2018, 05:12:09 pm »

Quote from: RiotAct on July 20, 2018, 05:10:59 pm

F.P. Santangelo.

Nah, it's been out there long before F. P. .... unless you mean him trailing Bob.

EDIT: Everything I can find credits author/writer/humorist Lewis Grizzard. He probably heard it somewhere and wrote it down.

UMDNats · « **Reply #1462 on:** July 20, 2018, 05:14:26 pm »

Quote from: Baseball is Life on July 20, 2018, 03:45:24 pm

Expected by who? I expected a career .280-.300 power hitter. That's what he is. If someone expected a perennial Triple Crown threat, than that's on them.

GTFO with the "no one should have expected him to be a perennial top-5 player"

UMDNats · « **Reply #1463 on:** July 20, 2018, 05:16:26 pm »

Quote from: spidernat on July 20, 2018, 03:00:16 pm

I could get on board for this scenario.

Best-case scenario for all sides IMO. That's assuming he still struggles in the 2nd half. If he has a great second half, see ya.

hotshot · « **Reply #1464 on:** July 20, 2018, 05:54:43 pm »

Quote from: Baseball is Life on July 20, 2018, 03:45:24 pm

Expected by who? I expected a career .280-.300 power hitter. That's what he is. If someone expected a perennial Triple Crown threat, than that's on them.

How soon we forget. This kid came to the majors with Mickey Mantle-type hype.

First overall pick, Golden Spikes Award, consensus 5 tool player evaluation, 31 HRs/98 RBI/.440 BA in 66 college games, etc etc So yes, a .277 career average is a disappointment.

spidernat · « **Reply #1465 on:** July 20, 2018, 07:08:21 pm »

Quote from: Baseball is Life on July 20, 2018, 03:45:24 pm

Expected by who? I expected a career .280-.300 power hitter. That's what he is. If someone expected a perennial Triple Crown threat, than that's on them.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #1466 on:** July 20, 2018, 08:01:17 pm »

I thought we all expect a .400 hitter who consistently threatened bonds’ record?

Expos · « **Reply #1467 on:** July 20, 2018, 08:49:10 pm »

A timely hit with the game on the line would be ok.

Or is that too much to ask for from the phenom?

MorseTheHorse · « **Reply #1468 on:** July 20, 2018, 09:18:58 pm »

I'm worried he will sign the QO...

Slateman · « **Reply #1469 on:** July 20, 2018, 09:19:25 pm »

Quote from: MorseTheHorse on July 20, 2018, 09:18:58 pm

I'm worried he will sign the QO...

This.

Get. Him. Out.

KV · « **Reply #1470 on:** July 20, 2018, 10:05:52 pm »

Quote from: Baseball is Life on July 20, 2018, 03:45:24 pm

Expected by who? I expected a career .280-.300 power hitter. That's what he is. If someone expected a perennial Triple Crown threat, than that's on them.

I expected him to be the player that Trout has turned out to be. Harper is a solid, but hardly exceptional, ball player.

Slateman · « **Reply #1471 on:** July 20, 2018, 10:07:10 pm »

Quote from: KV on July 20, 2018, 10:05:52 pm

I expected him to be the player that Trout has turned out to be. Harper is a solid, but hardly exceptional, ball player.

Everyone did. Anyone who honestly thought when Harper was drafted that he'd simply be a very good player was either freaking stupid or a freaking genius.

PowerBoater69 · « **Reply #1472 on:** July 20, 2018, 10:08:16 pm »

The ump got in his head and he started swinging at bad pitches. He a freaking baby, it's always someone else's fault.

tomwvr · « **Reply #1473 on:** July 20, 2018, 10:11:48 pm »

Quote from: Expos on July 20, 2018, 08:49:10 pm

A timely hit with the game on the line would be ok.

Or is that too much to ask for from the phenom?

That is the thing that burns me - seems he can’t be depended on for a hit when in an important part of game most of the time

Baseball is Life · « **Reply #1474 on:** July 20, 2018, 10:29:37 pm »

Quote from: hotshot on July 20, 2018, 05:54:43 pm

How soon we forget. This kid came to the majors with Mickey Mantle-type hype.

First overall pick, Golden Spikes Award, consensus 5 tool player evaluation, 31 HRs/98 RBI/.440 BA in 66 college games, etc etc So yes, a .277 career average is a disappointment.

Meh. That’s on you if you believed the hype. I judge players with my own eyes when they get to MLB. I thought he would be a very good ballplayer with the chance to be a great one. I have not changed my mind about that. I get that some of you have given up on him after a bad few months but I have not.