Author Topic: What to trade? (Read 70369 times)

DCFan · « **Reply #450 on:** July 08, 2018, 10:16:13 am »

Quote from: Greg_SRT on July 08, 2018, 09:08:56 am

We’ve sent people to observe a Buffalo

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/07/cafardos-latest-abreu-astros-ramos-nats-as-treinen-orioles.html

Tell them we're pulling the plug and come on home because Pedro's a rock star now.

Smithian · « **Reply #451 on:** July 08, 2018, 12:47:10 pm »

Quote from: Ray D on June 26, 2018, 05:39:33 pm

What to trade for? Nothing. If we can't hit with the talent we have, nothing we add is going to help. Whoever we obtain no matter how good will instantly stop hitting and we will have wasted prospects. Seriously, adding offense to this lineup is a waste of resources. The lineup either starts living up to its potential ... or it doesn't.

Agreed. If they can find a back of the rotation starter for cheap, go grab him, but for the lineup the Nats have to go with what they have. They aren't benching any of our top three outfielders, left side of the infield is locked, first has bodies, and they can't give up on Murphy yet. Maybe they can bring in another catcher, but not sure who makes sense at the needed price.

The Nationals have the pieces for the lineup. I think they need another pitcher.

welch · « **Reply #452 on:** July 08, 2018, 01:41:41 pm »

Starting pitcher. Max is trustworthy and Hellickson might be OK. Gio and Tanner are shakey, at best. And who is the other starter?

But, yes, rent Wilson Ramos.

Slateman · « **Reply #453 on:** July 08, 2018, 02:03:07 pm »

It's time to move on from Roark.

Smithian · « **Reply #454 on:** July 08, 2018, 02:17:21 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on July 08, 2018, 02:03:07 pm

It's time to move on from Roark.

Tanner Roark needs a stint on the Jason Marquis DL™* sometime after the All Star Break

*For new posters, this is when a solid pitcher inexplicably suddenly sucks so they are sent to DL. Strasburg, Dan Haren, and almost every free agent bullpen Nats signing has spent time there.

Slateman · « **Reply #455 on:** July 08, 2018, 02:29:26 pm »

Quote from: Smithian on July 08, 2018, 02:17:21 pm

Tanner Roark needs a stint on the Jason Marquis DL™* sometime after the All Star Break

*For new posters, this is when a solid pitcher inexplicably suddenly sucks so they are sent to DL. Strasburg, Dan Haren, and almost every free agent bullpen Nats signing has spent time there.

This isnt sudden, nor inexplicable. He hasn't been good since 2016.

Moreover, if the Nats expect to compete for the division going forward, Rizzo needs to get another top of the rotation starter. Now is as good a time as any

Air Desmond · « **Reply #456 on:** July 08, 2018, 03:38:11 pm »

Nats need some starters.

How bout old friend Jordan Zimmermann?

GburgNatsFan · « **Reply #457 on:** July 08, 2018, 03:51:28 pm »

Quote from: Air Desmond on July 08, 2018, 03:38:11 pm

Nats need some starters.

How bout old friend Jordan Zimmermann?

Has he gotten any better? He was stinking up the joint if I remember correctly.

Air Desmond · « **Reply #458 on:** July 08, 2018, 05:02:01 pm »

Quote from: GburgNatsFan on July 08, 2018, 03:51:28 pm

Has he gotten any better? He was stinking up the joint if I remember correctly.

Looking sharp recently.

Another crazy idea

Trea Turner for JT Realmuto ... who says no?

spidernat · « **Reply #459 on:** July 08, 2018, 05:07:27 pm »

marlins wouldn't go for that

Slateman · « **Reply #460 on:** July 08, 2018, 05:07:28 pm »

Quote from: Air Desmond on July 08, 2018, 05:02:01 pm

Looking sharp recently.

Another idea

Trea Turner for JT Realmuto ... who says no?

The Marlins. Because they're not stupid

Jeff in Gaithersburg · « **Reply #461 on:** July 08, 2018, 07:01:34 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on July 08, 2018, 02:29:26 pm

This isnt sudden, nor inexplicable. He hasn't been good since 2016.

Moreover, if the Nats expect to compete for the division going forward, Rizzo needs to get another top of the rotation starter. Now is as good a time as any

Problem with that is TOTR guys are typically on the contending teams and not the teams looking to deal at the deadline, at least not this year. The only 2 out there might be deGrom and Syndergaard, neither of whom the Mets are trading here. Best realistic possibilities out there are the likes of Nathan Eovaldi, Kyle Gibson, a guy like Mike Fiers in Detroit has had a really good last 6 weeks and a solid season overall on a bad team. Not top of the rotation guys but would certainly help the current situation. Jays might look to move Happ but he's been lit up his last 2 outings and wildly inconsistent since early May.

Slateman · « **Reply #462 on:** July 08, 2018, 07:18:08 pm »

None of those help us. Chris Archer, Jacob deGrom, Noah Syndergaard, Garrett Richard's....

These are the guys they need to target.

welch · « **Reply #463 on:** July 08, 2018, 07:29:44 pm »

Best would be this year's Verlander, if there is one. Assuming there is not, two respectable starters would allow the Nats to forget Gio and Roark. Those guys define negative WAR, or "Losses Above Replacement", LAR.

Greg_SRT · « **Reply #464 on:** July 08, 2018, 07:37:04 pm »

Rays are looking at Nats farm system. Nats are looking at Ramos.

We are gonna get a catcher.

Slateman · « **Reply #465 on:** July 08, 2018, 08:14:10 pm »

Quote from: welch on July 08, 2018, 07:29:44 pm

Best would be this year's Verlander, if there is one. Assuming there is not, two respectable starters would allow the Nats to forget Gio and Roark. Those guys define negative WAR, or "Losses Above Replacement", LAR.

The closest youd get is Cole Hamels.

Quote from: Greg_SRT on July 08, 2018, 07:37:04 pm

Rays are looking at Nats farm system. Nats are looking at Ramos.

We are gonna get a catcher.

They have other players we could use

Kieboom, Fedde, Roark, and one of Reed/Kieboom/Severini for Archer and Wilson

Smithian · « **Reply #466 on:** July 08, 2018, 08:41:23 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on July 08, 2018, 08:14:10 pm

Kieboom, Fedde, Roark, and one of Reed/Kieboom/Severini for Archer and Wilson

Nats are not moving Kieboom for a rental catcher like Ramos. Realmuto, maybe, but not Ramos.

Ramos is the type of guy who gets moved for a couple low level prospects for salary relief. Giving Kieboom for him would be giving more up for him this time than when the Nats gave up Capps for him seven years ago, which admittedly was a major steal.

Slateman · « **Reply #467 on:** July 08, 2018, 08:50:46 pm »

Quote from: Smithian on July 08, 2018, 08:41:23 pm

Nats are not moving Kieboom for a rental catcher like Ramos. Realmuto, maybe, but not Ramos.

Ramos is the type of guy who gets moved for a couple low level prospects for salary relief. Giving Kieboom for him would be giving more up for him this time than when the Nats gave up Capps for him seven years ago, which admittedly was a major steal.

You're moving Keiboom for Archer

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #468 on:** July 08, 2018, 09:18:53 pm »

Nats as buyers? Now that’s funny. They should be unloading guys before they have the worst team money can buy.

nats4ever · « **Reply #469 on:** July 08, 2018, 09:26:12 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on July 08, 2018, 08:50:46 pm

You're moving Keiboom for Archer

But it's not happenings. So keep dreaming.

hotshot · « **Reply #470 on:** July 08, 2018, 09:30:39 pm »

Quote from: Smithian on July 08, 2018, 12:47:10 pm

Agreed. If they can find a back of the rotation starter for cheap, go grab him, but for the lineup the Nats have to go with what they have. They aren't benching any of our top three outfielders, left side of the infield is locked, first has bodies, and they can't give up on Murphy yet. Maybe they can bring in another catcher, but not sure who makes sense at the needed price.

The Nationals have the pieces for the lineup. I think they need another pitcher.

Just one?

welch · « **Reply #471 on:** July 08, 2018, 09:42:05 pm »

Quote from: hotshot on July 08, 2018, 09:30:39 pm

Just one?

Two. Gio and Tanner have to go. Maybe Roark belongs on the DL for can't-throw-strikes-itis. Then a generous rehab. But Gio seems lost.

raleighnat · « **Reply #472 on:** July 08, 2018, 10:21:35 pm »

Agreed on lineup - stand pat unless you can get Wilson for relatively cheap. Real need is a very solid number three starter and a healthy strasburg.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #473 on:** July 09, 2018, 08:31:55 am »

The Rays also have Eovaldi on an expiring contract, so they may move him as well. He's put up a few solid starts in a row since coming back from injury.

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #474 on:** July 09, 2018, 09:39:51 am »

Sounds like the Pirates are in sell mode, now. Should we be looking at Cervelli over Ramos? I still think we want to see what Wieters has before we move on a catcher, though.