Trade Thread

[aspenbubba]

How would you know the difference?

POTY

[BrandonK]

Cole and Goodwin for Miller. Maybe throw in Pap if they want him.

LOL

[Truconfidence]

I say trade them Voth ,Guiterrez, Nick Lee and Bautista/Severino for Miller

[Natsinpwc]

I say trade them Voth ,Guiterrez, Nick Lee and Bautista/Severino for Miller

Yep. I am sure they won't get better offers than that.

[Truconfidence]

Yep. I am sure they won't get better offers than that.

They probably will. But thats where i start.  At this point you might have to give up Roark + a propect.

[Natsinpwc]

They probably will. But thats where i start.  At this point you might have to give up Roark + a propect.

Why would they want Roark?  Do you think he would excel in the AL East?
 Maybe Ross and Fedde would do it.

[Slateman]

Ross should garner Miller alone. He's still a prospect in terms of development. His ceiling may be a decent 3, but he isn't there yet.

But the question is, if we get rid of Ross, who can take his place and pitch similarly?

[dshawg77]

Ross should garner Miller alone. He's still a prospect in terms of development. His ceiling may be a decent 3, but he isn't there yet.

But the question is, if we get rid of Ross, who can take his place and pitch similarly?

No way I trade Ross, but that is me.

Lucas is probably the guy when ready.

[imref]

Giolito probably isn't much, if any, drop-off from Ross, and probably has a higher ceiling.  But doesn't he have an innings limit this year?

Everyone in the rotation is under contract for next year as well, so to make room for Giolito someone else has to go.  Ross is probably the best trade chip we've got.

[whytev]

Ross should garner Miller alone. He's still a prospect in terms of development. His ceiling may be a decent 3, but he isn't there yet.

But the question is, if we get rid of Ross, who can take his place and pitch similarly?

At this point if there is an injury we can call Giolito.

If we deal Ross it's Taylor Cole or Hill.

[Truconfidence]

Ross should garner Miller alone. He's still a prospect in terms of development. His ceiling may be a decent 3, but he isn't there yet.

But the question is, if we get rid of Ross, who can take his place and pitch similarly?

Exactly.

[Truconfidence]

Why would they want Roark?  Do you think he would excel in the AL East?
 Maybe Ross and Fedde would do it.

Because he is better than half their current rotation and he doesnt cost anything and has tons of team control left. And Ross + someone. Thats crazy.

[whytev]

Because he is better than half their current rotation and he doesnt cost anything and has tons of team control left. And Ross + someone. Thats crazy.

The problem with Roark being the "best kept secret" type is that nobody knows how good he actually is. It's an advantage when you're using him, but not when you're dealing him.

[BrandonK]

ZDK hasn't even said the crap you guys have in this thread. Crazy.

[Slateman]

Giolito probably isn't much, if any, drop-off from Ross, and probably has a higher ceiling.  But doesn't he have an innings limit this year?

Everyone in the rotation is under contract for next year as well, so to make room for Giolito someone else has to go.  Ross is probably the best trade chip we've got.

He has an inning limit

[JCA-CrystalCity]

ZDK hasn't even said the crap you guys have in this thread. Crazy.

He has an inning limit

'nuf ced

[Elvir Ovcina]

ZDK hasn't even said the crap you guys have in this thread. Crazy.

Some of this thread is just insane.  Closers pitch 60 innings per year.  A fantastic closer is worth 2.5 WAR.  That's a slightly above average starting pitcher.  Joe Ross is already at 1.3 for this season, in keeping with the fact that he right now is a slightly above average starter.  You do not trade a slightly above average starter with 4 more years of team control for a closer in his walk year who, if everything works out perfectly, might be worth as much as the starter you're trading (and for whom, by the way, you have no ready replacement). 

Further, where do most good closers come from?  They're failed starters.  Miller is that, Chapman is that, even Mariano Rivera was that.  Don't trade a starting pitcher for a reliever.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

well, it's not strictly a matter of looking at WAR.   you also have to consider roster depth and who you are replacing.  Mind you, I would not part with Ross, but the argument is that if you have someone in the wings like Giolito or Fedde or Taylor what's his name, you look at the drop off there from ross and look at the pick up in bullpen chain, as well as where you are on the contention curve, to decide whether the move makes sense.  I don't think you build a team for the long run by ignoring WAR, but you may be at point where moving a specific player makes contextual sense. 

[Elvir Ovcina]

well, it's not strictly a matter of looking at WAR.   you also have to consider roster depth and who you are replacing.  Mind you, I would not part with Ross, but the argument is that if you have someone in the wings like Giolito or Fedde or Taylor what's his name, you look at the drop off there from ross and look at the pick up in bullpen chain, as well as where you are on the contention curve, to decide whether the move makes sense.  I don't think you build a team for the long run by ignoring WAR, but you may be at point where moving a specific player makes contextual sense.

The dropoff from Ross to any of the Taylors, much less Giolito (due to innings limit) or Fedde (who's in the CAROLINA LEAGUE) is huge, and it leaves you with pretty much nothing in reserve if a starter gets hurt. Hell, if you want to swap Ross for a closer and put one of those guys in the rotation, the best way to do it is probably to just have Ross himself pitch the 9th.  He's got the stuff for it, and it would mask his biggest issue - lack of a third pitch. 

[JCA-CrystalCity]

The dropoff from Ross to any of the Taylors, much less Giolito (due to innings limit) or Fedde (who's in the CAROLINA LEAGUE) is huge, and it leaves you with pretty much nothing in reserve if a starter gets hurt. Hell, if you want to swap Ross for a closer and put one of those guys in the rotation, the best way to do it is probably to just have Ross himself pitch the 9th.  He's got the stuff for it, and it would mask his biggest issue - lack of a third pitch. 

I don't disagree with you.  My point was that just throwing out WAR without team context is over-reliance on WAR. 

[welch]

A Yankees blogger suggests that the Yankees trade Chapman to the Nats for Giolito and Turner. None of our wishful suggestions come near that spot on Fantasy Island.

[Slateman]

A Yankees blogger suggests that the Yankees trade Chapman to the Nats for Giolito and Turner. None of our wishful suggestions come near that spot on Fantasy Island.

Link please

[Mr Clean]

A Yankees blogger suggests that the Yankees trade Chapman to the Nats for Giolito and Turner. None of our wishful suggestions come near that spot on Fantasy Island.

We should throw in Harper and Rendon. If you listen to MLB radio Yankee fans who call in always greatly overvalue their players.

[whytev]

The dropoff from Ross to any of the Taylors, much less Giolito (due to innings limit) or Fedde (who's in the CAROLINA LEAGUE) is huge, and it leaves you with pretty much nothing in reserve if a starter gets hurt. Hell, if you want to swap Ross for a closer and put one of those guys in the rotation, the best way to do it is probably to just have Ross himself pitch the 9th.  He's got the stuff for it, and it would mask his biggest issue - lack of a third pitch.

Ross will definitely finish the season in the bullpen.  No question there.

[Matugi]

Ross will definitely finish the season in the bullpen.  No question there.

Agreed.  I think that makes Voth untouchable right now because he'd be the one to most likely to replace Ross in the rotation.