Author Topic: Trade Thread (Read 89678 times)

Slateman · « **Reply #225 on:** June 16, 2016, 09:13:35 pm »

Quote from: OvechkinsWodka on June 16, 2016, 09:09:56 pm

If paplebom would take setup job could be a pretty good pen

He won't and we still have the same problem we have if he's the closer. 8th inning is just as important at as the 9th.

GburgNatsFan · « **Reply #226 on:** June 16, 2016, 09:20:09 pm »

It can't actually be in his contract that he closes or he sits. Can it?

Quote from: Slateman on June 16, 2016, 09:13:35 pm

He won't and we still have the same problem we have if he's the closer. 8th inning is just as important at as the 9th.

Mr Clean · « **Reply #227 on:** June 16, 2016, 09:23:08 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on June 16, 2016, 09:13:35 pm

He won't and we still have the same problem we have if he's the closer. 8th inning is just as important at as the 9th.

He has no choice now.

Optics · « **Reply #228 on:** June 16, 2016, 09:23:47 pm »

Paps is in the same boat Rafael Soriano was in. If he's not gonna close he's basically a wasted roster spot.

Slateman · « **Reply #229 on:** June 16, 2016, 09:46:15 pm »

Quote from: GburgNatsFan on June 16, 2016, 09:20:09 pm

It can't actually be in his contract that he closes or he sits. Can it?

Quote from: Mr Clean on June 16, 2016, 09:23:08 pm

He has no choice now.

He'll be even more malcontent. Did we forget what happened to Storen?

And honestly, what good is having him for the 8th? That's going to be just as high pressure as the 9th in close games and the post season. He'll have the same issues in the 8th as in the 9th. If he can't close, DFA him, get someone who can.

dcpatti · « **Reply #230 on:** June 16, 2016, 10:05:45 pm »

They're gonna McLouth him, I bet. He won't be back. He'll go on the 60-day soon enough and then he'll just slip away.

BrandonK · « **Reply #231 on:** June 17, 2016, 12:54:26 am »

Quote from: GburgNatsFan on June 16, 2016, 09:20:09 pm

It can't actually be in his contract that he closes or he sits. Can it?

You guys remember that's why he declined the trade originally, right? That he had to be promised the closer role.

whytev · « **Reply #232 on:** June 17, 2016, 01:31:44 am »

Quote from: BrandonK on June 17, 2016, 12:54:26 am

You guys remember that's why he declined the trade originally, right? That he had to be promised the closer role.

It wasn't contractual. More of a gentlemen's agreement.

Ray D · « **Reply #233 on:** June 17, 2016, 08:14:14 am »

Quote from: whytev on June 17, 2016, 01:31:44 am

It wasn't contractual. More of a gentlemen's agreement.

Right, and more importantly, it applied to 2015. The "gentlemens' agreement" no longer applies.

3bside · « **Reply #234 on:** June 17, 2016, 08:46:14 am »

Papelbon is a better pitcher than Soriano was. His splitter and slider are still pretty good and he can locate the fast ball. Soriano basically lived at the top of the strike zone. So Papelbon can still be effective out of the closer role. His contract is up and nobody is going to sign him next year as a closer, so it's actually in his interest to show that he can be effective as a set up man. This may also be his last chance to play with a contender.

Slateman · « **Reply #235 on:** June 17, 2016, 02:22:01 pm »

Quote from: 3bside on June 17, 2016, 08:46:14 am

Papelbon is a better pitcher than Soriano was.

I do not believe this

6.89   K/9 2.30 BB/9 0.95 HR/9 1.23 WHIP 3.11 ERA 3.65 FIP
8.56   K/9 2.76 BB/9 0.58 HR/9 1.13 WHIP 3.19 ERA 3.08 FIP
6.93   K/9 2.92 BB/9 0.73 HR/9   1.34   WHIP 3.28 ERA 3.62 FIP

Which is better?

BrandonK · « **Reply #236 on:** June 17, 2016, 04:36:45 pm »

Trea for Chapman. LOL. freak it, Espi IS the future...
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/06/heymans-latest-teheran-ventura-cargo-lucroy-myers-turner.html

BrandonK · « **Reply #237 on:** June 17, 2016, 04:38:03 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on June 17, 2016, 02:22:01 pm

I do not believe this

6.89   K/9 2.30 BB/9 0.95 HR/9 1.23 WHIP 3.11 ERA 3.65 FIP
8.56   K/9 2.76 BB/9 0.58 HR/9 1.13 WHIP 3.19 ERA 3.08 FIP
6.93   K/9 2.92 BB/9 0.73 HR/9   1.34   WHIP 3.28 ERA 3.62 FIP

Which is better?

The one with the most wins. So Soriano

Ali the Baseball Cat · « **Reply #238 on:** June 17, 2016, 04:44:22 pm »

Quote from: BrandonK on June 17, 2016, 04:36:45 pm

freak it, Espi IS the future...

BrandonK · « **Reply #239 on:** June 17, 2016, 04:51:36 pm »

Quote from: Ali the Baseball Cat on June 17, 2016, 04:44:22 pm

Rusty ruined him. Should've traded him at peak value.

OvechkinsWodka · « **Reply #240 on:** June 17, 2016, 05:07:31 pm »

If the Yankees asking price is turner, they can trade chapman to the Cubs

houston-nat · « **Reply #241 on:** June 17, 2016, 05:13:08 pm »

If we're trading Trea to the Yankees, it should be for Gary Sanchez.

Mr Clean · « **Reply #242 on:** June 17, 2016, 05:24:15 pm »

Quote from: BrandonK on June 17, 2016, 04:36:45 pm

Trea for Chapman. LOL. freak it, Espi IS the future...
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/06/heymans-latest-teheran-ventura-cargo-lucroy-myers-turner.html

For a 3 month rental? Hell no.

Slateman · « **Reply #243 on:** June 17, 2016, 05:38:20 pm »

Quote from: houston-nat on June 17, 2016, 05:13:08 pm

If we're trading Trea to the Yankees, it should be for Gary Sanchez.

Theyre not trading one prospect for another.

Anyway, if Trea is in the deal, I expect more than Chapman or Miller.

whytev · « **Reply #244 on:** June 17, 2016, 06:11:24 pm »

Quote from: Ray D on June 17, 2016, 08:14:14 am

Right, and more importantly, it applied to 2015. The "gentlemens' agreement" no longer applies.

More of an informal ~~neck~~handshake agreement, really.

whytev · « **Reply #245 on:** June 17, 2016, 06:15:21 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on June 17, 2016, 02:22:01 pm

I do not believe this

6.89   K/9 2.30 BB/9 0.95 HR/9 1.23 WHIP 3.11 ERA 3.65 FIP
8.56   K/9 2.76 BB/9 0.58 HR/9 1.13 WHIP 3.19 ERA 3.08 FIP
6.93   K/9 2.92 BB/9 0.73 HR/9   1.34   WHIP 3.28 ERA 3.62 FIP

Which is better?

I did this in the other thread.

whytev · « **Reply #246 on:** June 17, 2016, 06:16:01 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on June 17, 2016, 05:38:20 pm

Theyre not trading one prospect for another.

Anyway, if Trea is in the deal, I expect more than Chapman or Miller.

Dare I say...both?

madj55 · « **Reply #247 on:** June 17, 2016, 06:32:37 pm »

Turner isn't getting dealt.

What would it take to get Doolittle?

Truconfidence · « **Reply #248 on:** June 17, 2016, 06:39:24 pm »

These rumor sites are silly. Where would Trea even play? Yankees are set at 2nd and SS. Castro and Gregorius arent FA until 2020

Elvir Ovcina · « **Reply #249 on:** June 17, 2016, 06:40:19 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on June 17, 2016, 05:38:20 pm

Theyre not trading one prospect for another.

Anyway, if Trea is in the deal, I expect more than Chapman or Miller.

The problem with having a premium prospect at an up-the-middle position is that everyone asks for him in every trade. There's absolutely no way he should be moved for a relief pitcher. Any relief pitcher. 60 innings of relief in one or two seasons at a fairly high salary is not even close in value to 6 seasons of SS or 2B with offense and even passable defense at minimum or near minimum salary. They'll want everything and a sandwich, just because they're the Yankees and they spend a lot of time sniffing their own jocks.

Suppose also this: you trade Turner to the Yankees. 2 weeks later, any one of Espinosa, Rendon, or Murphy gets hurt for an extended period (hardly a stretch, especially in Rendon's case). Suddenly you've got your closer...and Stephen Drew playing in your infield every day. Then you're f'ed every day of the week and twice on Sunday. So no. Absolutely not. Papelbon closing is better than even taking the risk of that happening.