Trade Thread

[Ray D]

The Mets aren't trading with us.

Who knows, they may be 20 games behind at the deadline. In that case they might.

[Natsinpwc]

How about Josh Reddick? 

[DPMOmaha]

I don' tknow about Rivero any more.

Rivero will be fine. I've seen a little of that swagger back. They've backed off his usage and he's thrown 7 straight scoreless (10.1 innings) outings. He'll need to keep working on his consistency as he matures, but long term (if he can stay healthy) I'm not worried about him.

[tzinc]

big time proven hitter

bp help

5th starter

[Smithian]

Rivero will be fine. I've seen a little of that swagger back. They've backed off his usage and he's thrown 7 straight scoreless (10.1 innings) outings. He'll need to keep working on his consistency as he matures, but long term (if he can stay healthy) I'm not worried about him.

Agreed. The burned Rivero too much for a while. They've cut back and his results have improved. I'm not sure if he is a lefty specialist but he's a good reliever.

I think the pen is overall okay. Papelbon is suddenly looking like the reliever he was in Philly. Shawn Kelley has the 8th inning locked down. Petit is the long guy. Solis is mowing people down when not walking them. Treinen is not bad and has had some big moments recently. Petit is the long guy. Perez has struggled but would fill in well as a mop up pitcher or strict loogy is used strictly in that role. Belisle has really struggled.

Nats back of the bullpen looks set now Paps is back. They need probably one more guy in the middle innings. Syracuse has a few intriguing arms but the Nats may be able to slip in and steal someone from a losing team at the deadline. Back of the bullpen arms are getting pricey but middle inning arms can be had for double A prospects we've never heard of.

[Mattionals]

Although Papelbon looks fine now, I don't think anyone is willing to trust him in a playoff spot if his stuff flattens out again like it did when he got to DC last year. I still say they will win the Chapman bidding thanks in part to Rizzo and Dusty both loving Chapman. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Jay Bruce. I think they are hoping for Latos, Arroyo, and maybe Voth as the answers to bolster the rotation as needed.

[whytev]

If dusty just left Perez to get lefties out and mop up innings I'd be delighted. He should never pitch in an important spot to a right handed hitter. Ever

And the way to reduce the likelihood of that happening is to get one more reliever and push everyone else down.

[Smithian]

Although Papelbon looks fine now, I don't think anyone is willing to trust him in a playoff spot if his stuff flattens out again like it did when he got to DC last year. I still say they will win the Chapman bidding thanks in part to Rizzo and Dusty both loving Chapman. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Jay Bruce. I think they are hoping for Latos, Arroyo, and maybe Voth as the answers to bolster the rotation as needed.

I don't see Chapman. I think price is too high.

With Bruce I think the price would have to be really low. His slash line from 2013 to 2015 was worse than Werth's. .237/.303/.433 versus .283/.373/.464. Bryce has really struggled past few seasons and he hasn't been a whole lot better than Werth this season. Bruce may be helpful for someone but he isn't a big enough upgrade here.

[whytev]

Although Papelbon looks fine now, I don't think anyone is willing to trust him in a playoff spot if his stuff flattens out again like it did when he got to DC last year. I still say they will win the Chapman bidding thanks in part to Rizzo and Dusty both loving Chapman. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Jay Bruce. I think they are hoping for Latos, Arroyo, and maybe Voth as the answers to bolster the rotation as needed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/nationals-journal/wp/2016/07/11/mike-rizzo-discusses-the-first-half-and-what-his-team-may-need-at-the-deadline/

Rizzo likes the team he has constructed!

Translation: Maybe we get bullpen help, but short of injury no other changes.

[whytev]

I don't see Chapman. I think price is too high.

With Bruce I think the price would have to be really low. His slash line from 2013 to 2015 was worse than Werth's. .237/.303/.433 versus .283/.373/.464. Bryce has really struggled past few seasons and he hasn't been a whole lot better than Werth this season. Bruce may be helpful for someone but he isn't a big enough upgrade here.

Werth last 30: .308/.460/.413

[Slateman]

Next week or two is gonna be Trea Turner's try out. If he can show some chops, they'll move Murphy to first and play Turner at 2B. If not, they need to make a move for a first baseman or a second baseman.

[Smithian]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/nationals-journal/wp/2016/07/11/mike-rizzo-discusses-the-first-half-and-what-his-team-may-need-at-the-deadline/

Rizzo likes the team he has constructed!

Translation: Maybe we get bullpen help, but short of injury no other changes.

Agreed up and down. The Nats have no glaring holes that need fixed. I think this will look like 2012 and 2014 when they surveyed the land for small moves. I think we take a flier on at least one cheap arm. Past that I don't know. Seeing Rizzo mention Voth and Lopez as possible starters that makes me think we don't add anything and we look inside the organization if needed.

[BrandonK]

Think Gallo's on the block? Texas really needs some SPs

[whytev]

Think Gallo's on the block? Texas really needs some SPs

No.

[Slateman]

Think Gallo's on the block? Texas really needs some SPs

Are you willing to cough up what it would take to get him? Gallo strikes me as an Adam Dunn clone.

If they want prospects, I can't imagine anything lower than Lopez, if not Giolito. For a starting pitcher, I don't think we have what they would want. Ross certainly isn't enough to get it  done. And they're getting Yu Darvish back soon

[Mattionals]

I had a long post drafted, then deleted it, because, you know, two sentences max.

Forget the SP market and get the innings out of what you have plus some hopeful contributions from Arroyo and Giolito. Try to address CF and RP with a trade for a combo of Chapman/Gardner, Chapman/Ellsbury, Miller/Gardner, Miller/Ellsbury, Blackmon/McGee.

That last one, just check out McGee's numbers away from baseball's Bermuda Triangle.

[whytev]

I had a long post drafted, then deleted it, because, you know, two sentences max.

Forget the SP market and get the innings out of what you have plus some hopeful contributions from Arroyo and Giolito. Try to address CF and RP with a trade for a combo of Chapman/Gardner, Chapman/Ellsbury, Miller/Gardner, Miller/Ellsbury, Blackmon/McGee.

That last one, just check out McGee's numbers away from baseball's Bermuda Triangle.

We have the spex to fill in the rotation if we manage innings smart.

We have Trea to plug CF once he goes down for a solid month to learn it.

We just need a shutdown closer.

[Slateman]

I had a long post drafted, then deleted it, because, you know, two sentences max.

Forget the SP market and get the innings out of what you have plus some hopeful contributions from Arroyo and Giolito. Try to address CF and RP with a trade for a combo of Chapman/Gardner, Chapman/Ellsbury, Miller/Gardner, Miller/Ellsbury, Blackmon/McGee.

That last one, just check out McGee's numbers away from baseball's Bermuda Triangle.

We have the spex to fill in the rotation if we manage innings smart.

We have Trea to plug CF once he goes down for a solid month to learn it.

We just need a shutdown closer.

We finally have Revere hitting and we are already trying to dump him?

[Natsinpwc]

We finally have Revere hitting and we are already trying to dump him?

Sell high.

[BrandonK]

I had a long post drafted, then deleted it, because, you know, two sentences max.

Forget the SP market and get the innings out of what you have plus some hopeful contributions from Arroyo and Giolito. Try to address CF and RP with a trade for a combo of Chapman/Gardner, Chapman/Ellsbury, Miller/Gardner, Miller/Ellsbury, Blackmon/McGee.

That last one, just check out McGee's numbers away from baseball's Bermuda Triangle.

No thanks on the Yanks OFs. Werth + Revere already on the roster. If you got CarGo instead of Blackmon, that'd be the way to go (I like both though). McGee is hot garbage. Glad the Nats did NOT make that move.

[Mattionals]

We finally have Revere hitting and we are already trying to dump him?

If this is what you think of Revere "hitting" then he can be upgraded. He is better than he was, but he still isn't hitting well enough to be leading off. I've never been high on Revere, but I do think he was a good get for Storen. I know this isn't tryout camp ala Rusty, but I think we are equally well off having Turner try to play CF and hit MLB pitching. I don't think there will be any dropoff defensively and the floor for his offensive abillity can't be worse than Revere now.

I only postulated combos because of "need". My opinion is to just get Chapman for Fedde and maybe another prospect.

[whytev]

We finally have Revere hitting and we are already trying to dump him?

He's still not hitting that well.  He's an empty batting average, and under .300 you don't want that.

[UMDNats]

Revere has a .639 OPS since June 1. If we're serious about winning a championship, gotta see if you can upgrade.

I only postulated combos because of "need". My opinion is to just get Chapman for Fedde and maybe another prospect.

Chapman will go for more than just Fedde. When Andrew Miller was a rental, he got a major-league ready (just about) top 100 pitching prospect. Chapman has a better track record than Miller did in 2014. He's not going to go for some turd in A-ball.

[Mattionals]

Revere has a .639 OPS since June 1. If we're serious about winning a championship, gotta see if you can upgrade.

Chapman will go for more than just Fedde. When Andrew Miller was a rental, he got a major-league ready (just about) top 100 pitching prospect. Chapman has a better track record than Miller did in 2014. He's not going to go for some turd in A-ball.

ERod also was as high as 65th in the top 100, and had a meh 2014 when he was traded, which lowered his value. Some lists didn't even have him in the top 100 anymore by that point. Apart from proximity to the majors, Fedde is nearly on that same path. Also, Miller didn't have the track record as Chapman, but his numbers did. High K percentage and started to lower his walks. He was, and still is, at the same level that Chapman is at, just used differently. Also, there is that baggage he holds onto that lowers his value, regardless if you think it does or not.

[UMDNats]

Erik Fedde is 23 and in low-A ball, struggling. Rodriguez was 21 and in AA with a 0.96 ERA when he was dealt. A little different there. EDIT: actually, i'm wrong on the numbers. he put up a 0.96 ERA with boston. Still, the age and perception is different between the 2.

And Chapman is a proven 9th inning guy. Miller wasn't yet. That matters, too. I'm as big of a Miller fan as anyone but in 2014 he didn't have the history Chapman has. I think Rizzo is more likely to go after a 7th and 8th inning guy, anyways.

I'm actually really curious to see if Miller is dealt. There are rumors the Yankees have some substantial offers on the table.