The ZDK Trade Proposal Extravaganza Thread To End All Threads #OhYeah

[Slateman]

Unless you meant Cavalli and House instead of Espino and Kieboom, dont think the A's are going to give up two years if cheap, elite hitting for a bunch of crap

[Elvir Ovcina]

Yadiel, Espino, Ross, kieboom, Barrera for Matt Olson and an arb eligible reliever.

The As are losing canha, Harrison, and Gomes this offseason so this would provide their replacements along with adding starters as bassit and manaea each are free agents after next season.  This package is full of major league ready controllable pieces who have shown they can play in the league.  I know y’all will think it’s unrealistic but it seems like a package that would be appealing to the As

Some of those guys might be interesting to the A's, but not in exchange for Olson.  Ross is of interest to nobody in trade, because he's hurt and likely to be non-tendered.  The only two guys in that package who are healthy and have proven useful in any reasonable sample size are in their mid-30s. 

In many ways, Olson is similar in value to some of the guys you wanted to trade spare parts and lottery tickets for last week.  He's cheap, fairly young, controllable for multiple years, and has a track record of production.  If they wanted to trade him, they'd get more than that.  A LOT more than that.  You seem to ignore that there are - like with Polanco and Marte - at least a dozen teams who would be willing to offer more for Olson, especially if the NL puts in the DH.  Hell, the A's could probably get better packages than that from three teams in their own division.

[Slateman]

Matt Olson has the 6th highest wRC+ among qualified hitters

[JCA-CrystalCity]

FWIW, this trade value simulator had Olson just about equal to Trea Turner in value at mid-season this year.
https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

[Elvir Ovcina]

FWIW, this trade value simulator had Olson just about equal to Trea Turner in value at mid-season this year.
https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

Same site values the entire package ZDK proposed as being worth $24.7 million in future value (most of that being Kieboom, which tells you a bit about the value of the rest of the package).  Olson is valued at $51.6 million in FV. 

So, uh.

[Slateman]

Same site values the entire package ZDK proposed as being worth $24.7 million in future value (most of that being Kieboom, which tells you a bit about the value of the rest of the package).  Olson is valued at $51.6 million in FV. 

So, uh.

If anything, Olson is undervalued. His power will only get better if stops playing half his games in Oakland

[UMDNats]

how does a collection of turds get us a 6 WAR player

[Elvir Ovcina]

If anything, Olson is undervalued. His power will only get better if stops playing half his games in Oakland

Yup.  Marcus Semien says hi. 

Similarly, I think Canha is going to be a surprise for someone next year.    Oakland has good players.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Always liked Canha. 

[zimm_da_kid]

FWIW, this trade value simulator had Olson just about equal to Trea Turner in value at mid-season this year.
https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

Then freak it, send the As gray, Yadiel, and kieboom for him

[Elvir Ovcina]

Then freak it, send the As gray, Yadiel, and kieboom for him

Which, per the simulator, is still quite a bit short. You'd still need to throw in more; for example, adding Matt Cronin to that package gets something almost dead-on even per the simulator.  And I think most people would balk at that.

[Slateman]

Why not just wait two years and sign Olson with all the money we save by not extending Bell and Soto?

[zimm_da_kid]

Gimme a trade based around Corbin for Stanton

[imref]

Gimme a trade based around Corbin for Stanton

Corbin, Garcia, Kieboom, Cavalli, and Rutledge for Stanton.

[zimm_da_kid]

They do kind of need to move him so they can resign judge.  It’ll be hard even for the Yankees to pay Cole $36M a year, Stanton $30M a year, and judge $35M+ a year

[Elvir Ovcina]

They do kind of need to move him so they can resign judge.  It’ll be hard even for the Yankees to pay Cole $36M a year, Stanton $30M a year, and judge $35M+ a year

Stanton has a full no-trade clause.  Yes, he waived it to go to New York but he refused to go to St. Louis, so there's no reason to think he'd want to go to a bad team in DC.  Or anywhere, really. 

[Ali the Baseball Cat]

Would you want to go to St Louis?

Stanton has a full no-trade clause.  Yes, he waived it to go to New York but he refused to go to St. Louis, so there's no reason to think he'd want to go to a bad team in DC.  Or anywhere, really. 

[Slateman]

Gimme a trade based around Corbin for Stanton

Corbin and Soto for Stanton

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Corbin and Soto for Stanton

but stanton rejects that deal.

Gimme a trade based around Corbin for Stanton

if the goal is to clear money for re-signing Judge, this doesn't do that much for the NYY for the next 3 years.

TBH, looking at Corbin's season, I want to know why July and August looked so different (Bad) from the 2nd half of April through end of June as well as the month of September.  If it is random / wtf / we don't know, then maybe you think of trying to move him.  But if it was his delivery and they fixed it, or if it were an injury, or just the kid being whiney, then I would be inclined to bring him back rather than part with any sweetener to get somebody to take him off our hands.  He had a sub-4 ERA for long stretches this year.

[UMDNats]

From MLBTR chat:

Joshua
10:25 Matt Chapman to the Nats for Carter Kieboom, Gerardo Carrillo, and Tim Cate? Who says no? Thanks.
Mark P
10:26 This one is interesting. I think the A's might hold out for more from the Nats or another team, but Chapman's hitting numbers are an increasing concern, and i have to imagine Kieboom's stock has dropped to some extent

[zimm_da_kid]

From MLBTR chat:

Joshua
10:25 Matt Chapman to the Nats for Carter Kieboom, Gerardo Carrillo, and Tim Cate? Who says no? Thanks.
Mark P
10:26 This one is interesting. I think the A's might hold out for more from the Nats or another team, but Chapman's hitting numbers are an increasing concern, and i have to imagine Kieboom's stock has dropped to some extent

Before y’all accuse me of sending that proposal in the chat, it wasn’t me.

Chapman still had 3.5 bWAR despite a 100 ops+.  He’s god tier defensively.  If that deal gets it done then call up billy beane now.  If that’s close, then swap in Rutledge for cate and call it a deal

[UMDNats]

yeah i don't see them taking a deal like that but maybe they are interested in some other players, even a robles type.

[Slateman]

From MLBTR chat:

Joshua
10:25 Matt Chapman to the Nats for Carter Kieboom, Gerardo Carrillo, and Tim Cate? Who says no? Thanks.
Mark P
10:26 This one is interesting. I think the A's might hold out for more from the Nats or another team, but Chapman's hitting numbers are an increasing concern, and i have to imagine Kieboom's stock has dropped to some extent

I mean, ten times out of ten, I jump on that deal, but theres no way the A's trade chapman for Kieboom, a 4/5 starter (or middling reliever), and a middle reliever.

I really dont think the A's are going to sell off this offseason. 2022-2023 offseason, sure, but their pitching is still affordable. I think they go in one more time.

[zimm_da_kid]

I mean, ten times out of ten, I jump on that deal, but theres no way the A's trade chapman for Kieboom, a 4/5 starter (or middling reliever), and a middle reliever.

I really dont think the A's are going to sell off this offseason. 2022-2023 offseason, sure, but their pitching is still affordable. I think they go in one more time.

They’re whole baseball operations model necessitates trading off at least 1-2 guys who will be 2nd round of arb or later.  That means one or two out of Olson, Chapman, bassit, and manaea will be gone.  That being said, they will still have pieces (montas, laureano, Murphy) do they can do a retool and get guys who are major league ready and still pre-arb and keep being good while getting younger and cheaper

[Slateman]

yeah i don't see them taking a deal like that but maybe they are interested in some other players, even a robles type.

If they're selling off Chapman, they're probably selling off Olson and Manaea. And they'll probably want talent that will be MLB ready about the same time as Soderstrom. So, Rutledge is probably their target