The ZDK Trade Proposal Extravaganza Thread To End All Threads #OhYeah

[Slateman]

That is way too much to pay for Contreras. He's going to be 33 next season and is still owed 54 million. On top of that, he's not much of a defensive upgrade over Ruiz. Honestly, Ruiz for Contreras straight up would probably be an overpay, but closer to the mark. But you would want to DH Contreras an awful lot.

Turner played 6 games at third base. At 40 years old, I think his days at third are over. Frankly, I think his days as anything more than a bench bat/light side platoon hitter are over. I don't see him being more valuable than Tena or Lipscomb at third, and I just assume we think of Turner as a placeholder until House is ready.

Trevor Williams just doesn't seem capable of being a starting pitcher. Last season, he was serviceable through the first 10-12 starts, and then fell off a cliff. This season, he made it 11 starts before getting hurt. Its cheap enough that you can throw him in the bullpen, but I think he is determined to be a starter.

You're selling low on Abrams. The most the Mariners are giving up is Miller. And Miller ... Miller is complicated. His Home/Away splits are jarring. Away from Seattle, he as a 4+ ERA. Normally, I'd chalk that up small sample size, except Teoscar Hernandez did an interview where he complained about the batting eye. Jon Morosi did some digging and confirmed it with several players. Moreover, Miller's advanced stats back it up. His K/9 at home this season was 10.37. It dropped to 6.43 K/9 on the road. His home run rate tripled. But his walk rate was pretty similar (2.15 BB.9 at home vs 2.36 on the road). Last year his numbers were pretty equal, so maybe this is a fluke, but Miller seems a lot closer to Jake Irvin than a top of the rotation guy.

The money and prospects you're sinking into Contreras, Turner, and Williams could be invested in a better starting pitcher.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

I don't think Turner is capable of giving you 50 games at 3rd. If you bring him in, then you should think 3rd is Tena / Turner platooning until House is ready. Which may be doable, but that is not good defensively. OTOH, I'm not sure that you aren't better off with just Soto / Crews / Wood in the OF and Turner (or better) DH'ng. I'd explore the trade value of Young if Soto were on board.

More than Turner, Christian Walker is the guy I'd give a hard look at either with Soto or as plan B.

As for Abrams's trade value, i still think it is high. The guy may not be a defensive shortstop, but he plays somewhere. I think the "time management" issue is one teams think they would be able to get at if he's surrounded by veterans worth looking up to more than some short termers about to be flipped.

[Slateman]

I don't think Turner is capable of giving you 50 games at 3rd. If you bring him in, then you should think 3rd is Tena / Turner platooning until House is ready. Which may be doable, but that is not good defensively. OTOH, I'm not sure that you aren't better off with just Soto / Crews / Wood in the OF and Turner (or better) DH'ng. I'd explore the trade value of Young if Soto were on board.

More than Turner, Christian Walker is the guy I'd give a hard look at either with Soto or as plan B.

As for Abrams's trade value, i still think it is high. The guy may not be a defensive shortstop, but he plays somewhere. I think the "time management" issue is one teams think they would be able to get at if he's surrounded by veterans worth looking up to more than some short termers about to be flipped.

Tena hits LHP well though, so I don't know why you platoon him. I'd much rather they try him at shortstop if they trade Abrams. And you can DH Contreras, put Millas in as a defensive catcher. Young can be a fourth OFer.

I think Abrams is too much of a gamble (pun intended) because it isn't clear if this was just youthful indiscretion, or if he has an addiction. He would easily slide over to second base in Seattle, and they have  veteran presence there with Raliegh and Arozerena. I just don't think they're going to cough up Bryan Woo to get him, which to me is the floor. And given how badly this team needs power, I don't think we're in a position to be giving away 20+ homers for pitching.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

I get it. Honestly, my preference at this point is to give CJ more leash. This team is not going to hit enough to go with Nunez over Abrams or even sign a Kim and deal CJ. I don't think Abrams over Garcia or CJ to CF is happening barring a deal involving Young or Luis. Until King is ready, there is not a SS in the system I have more confidence in than CJ.

Now, if ZDK wants to think up a Garcia deal and we sign Kim, that's another trade option.

[zimm_da_kid]

Contreras is real freaking good.  If he’s healthy he’s a 20 homer bat with .340+ obp at catcher. 

Let’s say same package to the cards but add helsley

Contreras can slide to first once lomavita or Bazzel are ready

[Natsinpwc]

Contreras is real freaking good.  If he’s healthy he’s a 20 homer bat with .340+ obp at catcher. 

Let’s say same package to the cards but add helsley

Contreras can slide to first once lomavita or Bazzel are ready

Didn't;t he get benched because he couldn't really catch.  Team is not that close to contending and the farm system is not that deep.  You see what free agents you can get this offseason and then how guys develop,  And then maybe next offseason look for trades to fill in. 

[Elvir Ovcina]

Contreras just put up the best offensive season of his career (relative to league) in terms of rate stats at age 32 but missed half of it with injuries and has a ton of money remaining.

There's a reason the Cardinals are trying to get rid of guys with contracts like his and Gray's.  They're old and are owed a ton of cash. 

I just saw the Cardinals last week in Colorado.  I can't say I'd want to touch much of that with a barge pole.  They're just a listless, generic team. 

[OfftheBat]

Contreras is real freaking good.  If he’s healthy he’s a 20 homer bat with .340+ obp at catcher. 

Let’s say same package to the cards but add helsley

Contreras can slide to first once lomavita or Bazzel are ready

What do we do with Ruiz if we ever trade for Contreras? We still owe Ruiz a pile of cash.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

What do we do with Ruiz if we ever trade for Contreras? We still owe Ruiz a pile of cash.

Ruiz isn't that expensive on a per year basis

[Senatorswin]

Ruiz had a .701 OPS in September, not great but see what he can do next year.

[zimm_da_kid]

V2 coming soon

[JCA-CrystalCity]

V2 coming soon

if you can work a deal for a Seattle pitcher, a major pitching signing, along with Christian Walker and maybe Jesse Winker and Kim, I'd love to see it. Use Garcia as a trade piece and move CJ to 2nd. That way, we go with a rotation with a #1, a Seattle guy, Irvin, Gore, and Herz (or Parker)

[Slateman]

if you can work a deal for a Seattle pitcher, a major pitching signing, along with Christian Walker and maybe Jesse Winker and Kim, I'd love to see it. Use Garcia as a trade piece and move CJ to 2nd. That way, we go with a rotation with a #1, a Seattle guy, Irvin, Gore, and Herz (or Parker)

Kim tore the labrum in his throwing shoulder. Gonna have to say we pass. His arm wasnt particularly strong before the injury.

Aint no way you get a Seattle pitcher without giving up House

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Kim tore the labrum in his throwing shoulder. Gonna have to say we pass. His arm wasnt particularly strong before the injury.

Aint no way you get a Seattle pitcher without giving up House

Is there a middle infielder worth targeting as FA to allow us to put one of Abrams or Garcia in a package somewhere? Or do you try Tena at 2nd or SS to make one of those guys available (and then scramble for a backfill at 3rd)?

 I suppose if you think House has to be made available to go big game hunting, then CJ/Garcia/Tena can't be put in a package.

[OfftheBat]

Ruiz isn't that expensive on a per year basis

So we keep him as backup catcher in case we trade for Contreras?

[Slateman]

Is there a middle infielder worth targeting as FA to allow us to put one of Abrams or Garcia in a package somewhere? Or do you try Tena at 2nd or SS to make one of those guys available (and then scramble for a backfill at 3rd)?

 I suppose if you think House has to be made available to go big game hunting, then CJ/Garcia/Tena can't be put in a package.

Adames if you want to spend 9 figures

You could easily put CJ or Garcia in a package if you sign someone else to play shortstop.

[Senatorswin]

The Nats problem this past year was power. I would leave Garcia's and Abrams 20-25 home runs up the middle alone. Hopefully when House comes up he can provide power at third. Sign a power hitting 1st baseman. With a full year of Crews and Wood's power it should fix the main issue we had this year with the bats.

With the combination of speed and power that would provide, we'd be looking at being back in the playoffs.

[Elvir Ovcina]

People are overthinking the power gap.  The team has a complete hole at DH.  If you want a power bat, it literally doesn't matter what position he plays.  A semi-functional outfielder might work best, but you could DH him every day.

The team has 1B and 3B prospects, both of whom should be good defenders at those positions (assuming they hit enough to justify them).  House is too good to block.  Morales might not be. 

[Senatorswin]

The nationals were 29th in home runs in 2024 ahead of only the White Sox by 2. They were 12 behind the 28th team Rays. That needs to improve big time.

[OfftheBat]

The nationals were 29th in home runs in 2024 ahead of only the White Sox by 2. They were 12 behind the 28th team Rays. That needs to improve big time.

I have a 4 letter word to remedy this situation: SOTO 

[GataNats]

Giving Vargas 300 at bats dumbest thing ever