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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #1850 on: September 08, 2010, 09:48:13 am »
I'm just saying, I'll bet you any amount of money that he never goes into the military during his playing career.

For the 4,000th time, the US will not grant him citizenship if he is avoiding military duty with an allied country.

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« Reply #1851 on: September 08, 2010, 09:53:27 am »
For the 4,000th time, the US will not grant him citizenship if he is avoiding military duty with an allied country.

Doesn't have to move to America.

Can easily move to another country and take up residency.

Not only that, but if he denounces his citizenship to Korea, they have no right to ask for two years of military service. America shouldn't have a problem with him becoming a citizen if he first denounces Korea. Heck, he already lives in America year round.

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« Reply #1852 on: September 08, 2010, 10:04:26 am »
Doesn't have to move to America.

Can easily move to another country and take up residency.

Not only that, but if he denounces his citizenship to Korea, they have no right to ask for two years of military service. America shouldn't have a problem with him becoming a citizen if he first denounces Korea. Heck, he already lives in America year round.

You don't know if he even has a green card.

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« Reply #1853 on: September 08, 2010, 10:15:18 am »
Doesn't have to move to America.

Can easily move to another country and take up residency.

Not only that, but if he denounces his citizenship to Korea, they have no right to ask for two years of military service. America shouldn't have a problem with him becoming a citizen if he first denounces Korea. Heck, he already lives in America year round.

So he'd need a country with no diplomatic relations with Korea to become a citizen of, but with good enough relations with the US to make getting a work visa easy- I'm guessing that list isn't too long

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« Reply #1854 on: September 08, 2010, 10:25:20 am »
South Korea's policy is freaked up. That's the problem. Choo is by far their best player and represents them whenever he can, give the guy his exemption for pete's sake.

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« Reply #1855 on: September 08, 2010, 10:26:24 am »
South Korea's policy is freaked up. That's the problem. Choo is by far their best player and represents them whenever he can, give the guy his exemption for pete's sake.

I actually view it as being democratic and even handed, why should a celeberity get an exemption that an average kid couldn't hope for?

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« Reply #1856 on: September 08, 2010, 10:30:09 am »
I actually view it as being democratic and even handed, why should a celeberity get an exemption that an average kid couldn't hope for?


If he were an Israeli, I wonder what they would do? He might be able to trade it for national service when he got older, like the religious folks do instead of combat.

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« Reply #1857 on: September 08, 2010, 10:46:12 am »
I actually view it as being democratic and even handed, why should a celeberity get an exemption that an average kid couldn't hope for?

They gave exemptions to other players.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #1858 on: September 08, 2010, 11:26:00 am »
Josh Johnson's season is over.

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« Reply #1859 on: September 08, 2010, 11:26:29 am »
Back trouble?

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« Reply #1860 on: September 08, 2010, 11:27:30 am »
Back trouble?

Shoulder and back - St Claire "mechanics"

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #1861 on: September 08, 2010, 12:34:03 pm »
Not celebrating an injury, but I don't mind not having to face JJ again this year.

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« Reply #1862 on: September 08, 2010, 12:49:23 pm »
The Marlins rotation is in shambles.  Sanabia, Anibal, Chris "Wheelhouse" Volstad, Andrew Miller and Adalberto Mendez.

I'm guessing the Marlins will put up:

Sanabia Friday if not on suspension
Anibal Saturday
Volstad Sunday if not on suspension.

Mendez would be available Saturday after pitching the first game of Monday's double-header.  If so, it will be his 2nd MLB appearance. 
Miller is going tonight, but if it is a short outing, may be available Sunday.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #1863 on: September 08, 2010, 02:25:53 pm »
This is pretty random... If the Red Sox trade Papelbon, do you guys think his next team will try to make him a starter again? I was looking at his Minor League numbers. Dude was a damn good starter.
Just saw this.  I went what was probably one of his last and best starts v. Bowie in 2005.  14 Ks in 8 IP.  I forget what he was clocked at by the scouts.  Starburgesque, except Stras did it against major leaguers Pittsburgh.

Papelbon will not want to go back to starting.  He has shoulder issues.  In '07, the Sox were goign to make him a starter, thinking that a regular throwing and strengthening cycle would reduce the stress, but he did not feel comfortable switching roles.  With him, it is a lot of psyche (psycho).  Also, at this point, he probably has the shoulder program down enough to relieve.  I am not sure if it could carry over to starting.

Best guess here is they offer arb this year (his last under team control) but try to trade him.  Minority view is the bullpen is so bad that they can't deal him.

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« Reply #1864 on: September 08, 2010, 02:31:12 pm »
When's the last time Papelbon was actually Boston's best RP? Seems like it's been a while.

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« Reply #1865 on: September 08, 2010, 02:38:57 pm »
Just saw this.  I went what was probably one of his last and best starts v. Bowie in 2005.  14 Ks in 8 IP.  I forget what he was clocked at by the scouts.  Starburgesque, except Stras did it against major leaguers Pittsburgh.

Papelbon will not want to go back to starting.  He has shoulder issues.  In '07, the Sox were goign to make him a starter, thinking that a regular throwing and strengthening cycle would reduce the stress, but he did not feel comfortable switching roles.  With him, it is a lot of psyche (psycho).  Also, at this point, he probably has the shoulder program down enough to relieve.  I am not sure if it could carry over to starting.

Best guess here is they offer arb this year (his last under team control) but try to trade him.  Minority view is the bullpen is so bad that they can't deal him.

he's going to be very expensive after arb.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #1866 on: September 08, 2010, 04:35:02 pm »
When's the last time Papelbon was actually Boston's best RP? Seems like it's been a while.
2008.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #1867 on: September 08, 2010, 04:44:22 pm »
he's going to be very expensive after arb.
Yes.  He has it in his head that he has an obligation to other closers to go for a multi-year, 7 figure AAV contract to advance the position.  It may surprise you, but he is very much conscious of baseball history and wants to be the one to carry the flag for closers after "The Godfather of Closers" Mo retires. The Red Sox are loathe to go long for a closer if there are internal options (Keith Foulke was the exception because he was the last piece), so they may be willing to take a piece out of the length of the bullpen in order not to go multi-year for Papelbon.  Seems he is throwing his fastball as hard as ever but that it is a much less effective pitch.

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« Reply #1868 on: September 09, 2010, 01:13:01 am »
I just want to point this out. I've been watching Ichiro closely since May, as I have since 08, to see if he could possibly get to 200 hits again. He's been right on the edge all season. He's at 183 hits so far, projecting to finish with 212. But like I said, he's been on the edge all season. He isn't now. His last ten games? Ten game hitting streak. Two games he had one hit. Eight games of the last ten he's had two hits.

Suzuki is just such a phenomenal player that simply saying it doesn't do it justice. He is one of the best leadoff hitters in baseball, and if he weren't playing with the Mariners it's scary to imagine not only what he could do with other players to cause pitchers to pitch to him, but how much larger his legacy would be. His 200 hits in consecutive seasons, from season one of his MLB career, is one of the most amazing records and accomplishmentd as far as I am concerned. If he hadn't played in Japan and started in MLB, god only knows what his final career line would have ended up looking like. As it stands now, its going to be remarkable enough.  

He's at 2200 hits in MLB. He played eight years in Japan. Just imagine what might have been if you added another six seasons to his MLB career. But regardless, ten straight seasons to start an MLB career with over 200 hits? And the way he's been playing the past two weeks? It's such a shame to see he doesn't get nearly the amount of attention I feel he deserves as one of the greatest players in the game now, and very likely of all-time as well.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #1869 on: September 09, 2010, 11:10:43 am »
Josh Johnson's shoulder is only inflamed, no structural damage.  Still likely out for the year, but not definite.  However, is out for the Nats series.

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« Reply #1870 on: September 09, 2010, 11:36:13 pm »
Rockies sweep the Reds.  If the Giants lead over the Padres holds up tonight then Colorado is 3.5 out of first in the West.  That is once again a scary team making a very improbable late season run.  CarGo could sneak in the back door as triple crown winner and league MVP.

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« Reply #1871 on: September 10, 2010, 04:45:46 am »
Apologies in advance for the long post, but just figured I'd get out all my thoughts on the September playoff race now that we're a week in. But yes, the Rockies are truly a bizarre team. To do what they've done twice now in the past few seasons, even if they don't make it this year. Go from several games out on Sept 1, and then start ridiculous winning streaks combined with unlikely losses by the teams ahead of them? Once is luck, twice? I don't know how you can explain a logical reason for what they are capable of doing in September, when they have several teams in front of them on top of the unlikely winning streaks. But it's more than luck at this point.

Truly a phenomenal team and organization. I'm honestly hoping the Rockies take the division and the Giants the WC. Throw the entire Philthy franchise under a bus, have the Braves take our division and the Reds the NL Central. There wouldn't be a team in that scenario I wouldn't be rooting for, although honestly, how can you not want the Rockies to go all the way? Unless the Rockies go on a massive losing streak, I don't see how he doesn't run away with the MVP this year. Votto is deserving, as is Pujols. But take CarGo away and the Rockies sure as hell aren't anywhere near contending right now. The fact they are making such an unlikely run with where they were two, three weeks ago, and so long as they go at least .500 here on out, he is the MVP. If the Giants make the playoffs, I think Posey might be a lock for RoY.

I hate seeing the White Sox continue their slide. I really wanted to see them make it over the Twins. The AL race this year is just horrible and bland. Not only are there no genuine races, the playoff spots were all but locked up on Sept. 1. You've got a huge issue when one entire league is facing a September where you know who will be playing in October the first day. Not only that, but there really aren't the teams you want to root for like the NL. The Rangers and Twins don't deserve to make it, they've got far too many holes and are playing way too poorly. Yet they've been near locks for weeks. And the AL East? I hate seeing teams buy their way into the playoffs the way the Yankees do, and I'm just not a big fan of the Rays. Of all four, the Rays are my preferred team.

One last comment on the race to October. MLB needs to change something. You have a dream scenario where the Yanks and Devil Rays (I'm sorry, I forgot devil was too evil to put in a teams name.) play seven games this month. They are ridiculously close, with one guaranteed the wild card and the other the division. Would be some epic games there. But it doesn't matter. The difference between wild card and division is so negligible, I think something like half of the time in recent years the home field advantage team lost, that those games just aren't that important. And add in the fact that with the AL East, the AL doesn't have a wild card in two of three divisions. You have AL East team with an extra home game each series, and AL East team with one less home game each series. With the Red Sox and Yankees, you'll always have the two make it. Turns out this year the Rays overtake the Sox, but that highlights the point. Now the top three teams are in one division. All the Central and West can play for are division titles. Look at the excitement of the wild card in the past five years in the NL and AL. Look at it this year.

So combine those two issues together, and we need to add a second wild card team ASAP. When a new contract is done in 2012. Make it so that the two wild card teams face off in a three game series. First and foremost, it gives the #2 team in the AL Central and West a reason to actually care about September. But consider how the seven Rays and Yankees games are played, how important those games are, and how much more fun they are to watch under such a scenario. I guarantee you, both teams would play with twice the effort if they know they aren't losing just one home game each series, but instead have to face an extra round. And the division leader gets some rest before the playoffs. Those seven games, which should be vital and ridiculously fun to watch, are now going to be bland with both teams assured of a playoff spot. Add the second wild card, and it changes those games so much that it's obscene the playoffs aren't already structured in such a way. If the AL were the NL, the need wouldn't be so vital, although I would still prefer it. But with the AL East being as it is, and will be for years to come, we need the second wild card team and a wild card three game series in 2012. Anything else is a failure, and a large one at that, for baseball.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #1872 on: September 10, 2010, 09:19:22 am »
Sometimes, even Marlins fans are allowed to snicker at another team:

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For writers of comedy and tragedy alike, the New York Mets’ organizational dysfunction provides a wellspring of rich material. Their owners are buffoons, their general manager incompetent, their record embarrassing and, as we learned in recent days, their players capable of selfishness that would border on inconceivable if these weren’t the Mets, who are nearing their doctorate in ludicrousness.
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« Reply #1873 on: September 10, 2010, 09:37:26 am »
anyone catch "The Show" this morning on XM?  Dibble and the other guy spent a fair amount of time talking about the possibility of adding another wild card team.  Both agreed that the two wild cards should play each other first to play in, but they disagreed over whether it should be a normal series, or a single play-in game.  The argument for the single game is the long layoff would hurt the division winners.

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« Reply #1874 on: September 10, 2010, 09:45:32 am »
anyone catch "The Show" this morning on XM?  Dibble and the other guy spent a fair amount of time talking about the possibility of adding another wild card team.  Both agreed that the two wild cards should play each other first to play in, but they disagreed over whether it should be a normal series, or a single play-in game.  The argument for the single game is the long layoff would hurt the division winners.
I didn't hear it, but the discussion has been happeing in a couple of different places for a while now.  The idea is intriguing.