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One RF thread to rule them all
« on: April 04, 2010, 08:55:57 am »
This is now the consolidated RF discussion thread.

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2010, 03:15:45 pm »
Right field moved past shortstop to become the most debatable position on the 2010 team.  With the decision to give Desmond a crack at SS after his good spring and nice 2009, I think most just want to see if he can hold the job.  Right field, from the decisions to cut Dukes, to go with the two Willies as a platoon, to send former major leaguers like Chris Duncan and Kevin Mench off the roster, and to pass over J-Max and Morse for Willie T, RF will be the position we are likely to have something to argue about all year. Toss in the Ben G's reporting on possible trades (Upton, Fukudome, and Hart), as well as watching 2 guys who have not played the position adjust to it on the fly, we probably ought to have a central thread to compile analysis, complaints, rumors, and we hope praise for the players in that position.

Along these lines, I've kind of made my thoughts clear on other threads:

1) I suppose you have to make a minor leaguer earn a roster spot to break with the team in the Spring, but I expect that J-Max will end up being a better option this season than Willie T for the RF vs. LHP.  He has the glove the team is looking for, speed, more consistently draws walks, and has real pop.  

2) Mike Morse had a good spring.  Was the only way he would end up in a platoon by having a monster spring?  Morse has not played a ton of right in the majors, but what he's played is about average defensively.  He does not hit like Willingham, but he fields better.  There's a lot of room between needing to hit like Willingham and being able to hit and field well enough to be a complementary player in a platoon.

3)  Adding Taveras of course burned a roster spot.  Is Taveras's defense that superior to Roger Bernardina or J-Max to lose the roster flexibility?  (This is one on Rizzo, I/M/O).  I don't know the final roster, but who gets squeezed?  Bruntlett?  Mench?  who do we lose because of this?  

4)  Does anyone really think that Taveras's spring offense is sustainable, or any more sustainable than Austin Kearns's last year?

If this turns out to be just a flier for a few weeks, then I think it is poor roster management.  If this is planned to be more, then how do you ignore longer term performance records?

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2010, 03:21:23 pm »
I've said it once, and I'll say it again.

I'm absolutely convinced that the team was sure that J-Max would win the platoon job outright in ST and that they had nothing to worry about.

When J-Max forgot how to hit even the easiest fastball, they panicked and realized they had no real alternatives other than Taveras to play out there as part of a platoon.

Thus, we get stories about the Nats quickly looking for alternatives in RF.

In my opinion, they gambled on J-Max being ready and they ended up busting. Taveras is the result of that gamble.

What scares me though is that I believe the team will refuse to admit Taveras was a mistake and will continue to play him far longer than his stats will justify; just to show Taveras was part of 'the plan' all along. I hope I'm wrong about that, but I have a good feeling I'm not.

(Taveras does have his uses as a pinch runner/defensive replacement... he certainly doesn't deserve semi consistent playing time, though)

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2010, 03:23:33 pm »
What happened to a bloke named Michael Burgess? I rumor in the before time of Jim Bowden we were all pumped up about him.

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2010, 03:28:55 pm »
As for the positional play in yesterday's exhibition, we may be in for a period of adjustment as both Willies play a position that they have not regularly in the past. We may be used to Willie H's all-out, rangy play in left that made him regarded as a good defensive left fielder, but it is pretty clear that he does not know how the wall plays. Maybe he was saying, "it is jsut an exhibition, I do not dive to cut off a rolling ball,"  but he was burned at least a couple of times yesterday.  You could not help but wonder whether Josh Reddick dived for Ryan Zimmerman's fly because he is still trying to impress management while Willie was more in the survival mode because his place is assured.  I hope it is not more than that.  The whole purpose of the platoon is to get plus defense out there.

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2010, 03:29:38 pm »
What happened to a bloke named Michael Burgess? I rumor in the before time of Jim Bowden we were all pumped up about him.

He's basically a very poor man's Ryan Howard with half the power. That won't get it done.

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2010, 03:39:07 pm »
I'm absolutely convinced that the team was sure that J-Max would win the platoon job outright in ST and that they had nothing to worry about.

When J-Max forgot how to hit even the easiest fastball, they panicked and realized they had no real alternatives other than Taveras to play out there as part of a platoon.
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(Taveras does have his uses as a pinch runner/defensive replacement... he certainly doesn't deserve semi consistent playing time, though)

However, if they had intended to go with J-Max but got cold feet due to his slump, shouldn't they have recognized the problem before they cuts Dukes?  Maybe they thought Dukes would not take to a platoon well, but I also thought that Willie H was the guy who stuck up for him.  If there were anyone who could tell Dukes, "just play well and convince them you should be full time," wouldn't it have been Willie?

It may be that they Taveras was really plan D, behind Dukes working out, J-Max playing well, and Duncan earning the position (either outright or in a platoon with Mench). 

By the way, I agree that the 5th OF should be a pinch runner / defensive replacement capable of playing center, but not someone who get more than 150 ABs. 

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2010, 03:47:05 pm »
What happened to a bloke named Michael Burgess? I rumor in the before time of Jim Bowden we were all pumped up about him.

Actually, I think that he may end up in a deal for Upton.  Tampa can use players with all their options, are in high minors, and who have power.  They have Desmond Jennings major league ready, and it would not surprise me if he is on a track somewhere between Longoria (3 weeks into the season) and Weiters (late May to avoid super 2 status).  I think Friedman is either trying to convince Rizzo he is holding onto Upton for a while to see if Rizzo ups his ante, or Rizzo may be trying to get out word that he does not expect Upton to be available and is looking elsewhere.

Given Pena's impending free agency, I could easily see Marrero as part of a package, along with maybe a pitcher with options (Thompson) or Burgess as part of an Upton deal.  If TB were to keep one of Pena or Crawford, they may be inclined to try to sign Crawford given the abundance of 1b/DHs out there next year.

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2010, 05:24:51 pm »
Upton would be a great upgrade.

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2010, 06:09:15 pm »
Is Tampa trying to deal Upton? If so, why is he on the market?

(Sorry, not up to speed on the AL apparently.)

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2010, 06:21:31 pm »
Is Tampa trying to deal Upton? If so, why is he on the market?

(Sorry, not up to speed on the AL apparently.)

There is speculation that the Rays may unload Crawford or Upton if they fall out of contention, especially with Jennings on the way up.  There is no way a trade gets done involving Upton, though, until later in the season if at all.  Upton had a down year after coming off of shoulder injury and his value is only going to rise over the course of the season.  My sense is that the Nationals were seeing if they could pry him away while his value was lower, but more than anything it was probably just a friendly talk between GMs feeling each other out.  Until there is something more substantial, I would file this one under the 98% of trade talks that do not come to fruition.

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2010, 07:10:04 pm »
Ok, despite the premature nature of my sentiments, I'm simply going to say ...


Yes Please to Upton!

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2010, 07:18:18 pm »
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Please, Please, Please, Please !!!!!

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2010, 07:19:56 pm »
Hope so.

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2010, 07:21:08 pm »
Too good to be true.

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2010, 07:22:05 pm »
April... Fools?

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2010, 07:54:34 pm »
Coles Hamels :lol:

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2010, 07:55:49 pm »
Coles Hamels :lol:

hahahahaha :rofl: :lmao: :clap:

"Laveranues" Coles Hamels

but i love the move if true.

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2010, 08:00:13 pm »
Coles Hamels :lol:
Tater Spudson strikes again

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2010, 08:01:55 pm »
Willie probably asked not to be sent out to RF again to be abused by the Phils fans.

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2010, 08:18:09 pm »
You guys laugh at Coles Hales, but not Carlos "Victor" Zambrano? :hammer:

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2010, 08:22:15 pm »
Morse has the kind of bat that deserves a starting gig. Let Nyjer pick him up on defense.

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2010, 08:30:06 pm »
You guys laugh at Coles Hales, but not Carlos "Victor" Zambrano? :hammer:

I don't remember seeing that one, or maybe it just wasn't obvious enough.

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Re: One RF thread to rule them all
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2010, 08:56:14 pm »
You guys laugh at Coles Hales, but not Carlos "Victor" Zambrano? :hammer:

I typed "Victor Zambrano"   :roll: in a post this morning, but double checked and corrected before posting.    :halo: