2010 Offseason Wheeling and Dealing

[sportsfan882]

That's the same roster from last year with Bruney, Smoltz, and Pudge.  You really think that's something to be impressed with?  I don't want to hear about Flores because he'll be broken within 6 weeks and even if he isn't, offense isn't our problem.

If those guys play to their potential, yes.

Detwiler is going to make an impact this season.

[sportsfan882]

Dunnkey, I can Throw, sportsfan882, tomterp, GMUNat and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.    You guys on Christmas break already? LOL!

not yet. 4 more exam this week and then I'm out of school for ~5 weeks.

[Lintyfresh85]

If those guys play to their potential, yes.

Detwiler is going to make an impact this season.

Why?

[Minty Fresh]

Unless a legit #2-3 (which on the Nats would be the unquestionable ace) signs with the team... I really don't see anything changing.

There aren't any of those available.  Lackey is gone.  Garland/Marquis/Washburn ain't gonna get it done.

[Lintyfresh85]

I'm positive Piniero is one of those guys.

[sportsfan882]

Why?

Because he is a Major League pitcher and has the stuff and make-up to succeed up here.

[Lintyfresh85]

What has he done in the major leagues to prove that he can succeed?

[Spinman]

LOL @ spinman.  I've got 20 minutes to go before a technical accounting update, and no better way to spend than chillin' this thread with me homies.  You guys are on a roll.;-)

Chillin, Homies... Technical accounting update?  You are all over this board! This is a really good thread. keep it up.

[Spinman]

I'm positive Piniero is one of those guys.

You just read my mind!

[Minty Fresh]

I'm positive Piniero is one of those guys.

In 10 years he's won 87 games. 

Baseball-reference.com has him winning 12 games a year on average if he manages to stay healthy for an entire season - he's made 30 starts/season 3 times in 10 years. 

On what are you basing your belief?

[Lintyfresh85]

Because he is a Major League pitcher and has the stuff and make-up to succeed up here.

What my main point is, is this... its great that we have faith that these guys will some day blossom into legit starters at the major league level... and you can afford to waste one maybe even two spots in the rotation on 'hope' guys... but when your rotation is made up of Lannan and four 'hope' guys, you're just asking for trouble.

[DPMOmaha]

That's the same roster from last year with Bruney, Smoltz, and Pudge.  You really think that's something to be impressed with?  I don't want to hear about Flores because he'll be broken within 6 weeks and even if he isn't, offense isn't our problem.

Really?  I think the roster looks markedly different from the one that got us off to a 26-61 start.

2008 Opening Day roster: Rotation: John Lannan - LHP Scott Olsen - LHP Daniel Cabrera - RHP Shairon Martis - RHP Bullpen: Joel Hanrahan - CL Joe Beimel - SU Mike Hinckley - LHP Wil Ledezma - LHP Saul Rivera - RHP Steven Shell - RHP Julian Tavarez - RHP Catchers: Jesus Flores  Wil Nieves Josh Bard Infield: Ryan Zimmerman - 3B Cristian Guzman - SS Ronnie Belliard - 2B Nick Johnson - 1B Willie Harris Alberto Gonzalez (DL) Anderson Hernandez Outfield: Adam Dunn - LF Lastings Milledge - CF Austin Kearns - RF Josh Willingham Elijah Dukes

[Minty Fresh]

What my main point is, is this... its great that we have faith that these guys will some day blossom into legit starters at the major league level... and you can afford to waste one maybe even two spots in the rotation on 'hope' guys... but when your rotation is made up of Lannan and four 'hope' guys, you're just asking for trouble.

Aren't you using the same rationale to justify why the Nats should pick up Piniero?

[DPMOmaha]

I'm positive Piniero is one of those guys.

I'm not.

But Ben Sheets is still out there.  We should be making a huge push to get him. 

[sportsfan882]

What my main point is, is this... its great that we have faith that these guys will some day blossom into legit starters at the major league level... and you can afford to waste one maybe even two spots in the rotation on 'hope' guys... but when your rotation is made up of Lannan and four 'hope' guys, you're just asking for trouble.

I agree that they need to sign Garland. That would be big.

We'll never know what Detwiler or anyone else has unless we give them the chance.

[sportsfan882]

Really?  I think the roster looks markedly different from the one that got us off to a 26-61 start.

2008 Opening Day roster: Rotation: John Lannan - LHP Scott Olsen - LHP Daniel Cabrera - RHP Shairon Martis - RHP Bullpen: Joel Hanrahan - CL Joe Beimel - SU Mike Hinckley - LHP Wil Ledezma - LHP Saul Rivera - RHP Steven Shell - RHP Julian Tavarez - RHP Catchers: Jesus Flores  Wil Nieves Josh Bard Infield: Ryan Zimmerman - 3B Cristian Guzman - SS Ronnie Belliard - 2B Nick Johnson - 1B Willie Harris Alberto Gonzalez (DL) Anderson Hernandez Outfield: Adam Dunn - LF Lastings Milledge - CF Austin Kearns - RF Josh Willingham Elijah Dukes

good point. Our bullpen (Joel Hanrahan) absolutely killed us last season more than people remember.

Stabilizing the pen will help tremendously.

[Lintyfresh85]

good point. Our bullpen (Joel Hanrahan) absolutely killed us last season more than people remember.

Stabilizing the pen will help tremendously.

Which is why its so puzzling that you are so against bringing in Matt Capps, a proven, all-star RP.

[sportsfan882]

Which is why its so puzzling that you are so against bringing in Matt Capps, a proven, all-star RP.

I don't think he's that good but the Nats need to bring in at least one or two more proven guys to pitch out of the pen.

I don't get how Capps can be asking for 2 years and a ton of money considering he was terrible last year for the lowly Pirates.

[Lintyfresh85]

One bad year makes a career?

[Minty Fresh]

I don't think he's that good but the Nats need to bring in at least one or two more proven guys to pitch out of the pen.

If you take elite closers out of the discussion, then "proven guys to pitch out of the pen" don't exist.  Julian Tavarez  was widely regarded as a "proven guy to pitch out of the pen."  Those are the types of guys you get when you're not talking about Rivera, Papelbon, Nathan, K-Rod, et al.

[The Chief]

One bad year makes a career?

Apparently three good months makes a superstar catcher

[Minty Fresh]

Apparently three good months makes a superstar catcher

[sportsfan882]

One bad year makes a career?

It's not like he's had 10 years worth of success. Yes, he had some good seasons and then in his most recent season he flopped. You can't just ignore that like it didn't happen. Was there a reason for his poor performance this past season? Is he likely to repeat it or was it just a fluke?

These are the things you have to look at. Yes, he may rebound. But he also could duplicate last season and pitch poorly again. You don't know what you are getting here and that is why I don't understand how he can demand 2 years and a hefty salary.

[Evolution33]

I'm positive Piniero is one of those guys.

Unless we can somehow get Dave Duncan, Piniero will turn back into Piniero.

[PANatsFan]

That's the same roster from last year with Bruney, Smoltz, and Pudge.  You really think that's something to be impressed with?  I don't want to hear about Flores because he'll be broken within 6 weeks and even if he isn't, offense isn't our problem.

I said IF they all realize their potential, then you have roster with the perfect mix of homegrown players, trades, and FA's.

That's all I meant.