Author Topic: Keith Law on Dunn (Read 26446 times)

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #50 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:42:44 pm »

Quote from: ronnynat on February 12, 2009, 01:40:47 pm

Because, as of right now, he is one of the top 5 pitchers that we have in our organization. I think it only makes sense to give him as much experience in the majors as possible before we make a serious run at the playoffs; whether that be this year or 3 years from now.

Two words Homer Bailey - let him develop

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #51 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:44:01 pm »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on February 12, 2009, 01:42:44 pm

Two words Homer Bailey - let him develop

Exactly. And as a counterpoint, look at what Matt Garza did this past season. I don't think he even had a full season under his belt going into 2008, then he was money in the playoffs for Tampa.

ronnynat · « **Reply #52 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:45:01 pm »

Quote from: ACTAvation Energy on February 12, 2009, 01:42:03 pm

He's a top five prospect. How do we know that he's actually a top five pitcher over the entire org? We'll have to wait and see how he does against ML competition. That's the beauty of ST.

He's our #1 prospect. Look at the pitchers that we have at the MLB level. He'll be 23 when the season starts and he put up great numbers last year at the highest level of the minors (IMO). He deserves a spot in the rotation.

Yeah, I need to stop talking about him.

Nat of the Living Dead · « **Reply #53 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:45:28 pm »

Quote from: sportsfan882 on February 12, 2009, 01:39:38 pm

because this jerk is getting paid boat loads of money to type garbage like this. It's pathetic. Law is scum.

And sadly, when badly researched garbage by hacks like Law hit the ESPN waves, even though we are the smart to know that pretty much what ESPN produces is nothing but tabloid fodder, pretty much all causal fans think ESPN is God and the place to get real sports news. They go and read the misinformation and sometimes down right lies, think it's truth, and that casual fan who was thinking of maybe making a trip to the ballpark and spend a few bucks, now avoids it all based on some trash some writer who doesn't even know who is on the team or how to spell the player's names.

It's a loss of attendance, money, and general positive respect or goodwill the team is able to build.

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #54 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:45:46 pm »

Quote from: ronnynat on February 12, 2009, 01:45:01 pm

He's our #1 prospect. Look at the pitchers that we have at the MLB level. He'll be 23 when the season starts and he put up AWESOME numbers last year at the highest level of the minors (IMO). He deserves a spot in the rotation.

Yeah, I need to stop talking about him.

I believe he'll get a spot if he performs up to snuff in ST. They will have choice but to put him in the rotation.

spidernat · « **Reply #55 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:45:54 pm »

Quote from: ronnynat on February 12, 2009, 01:37:53 pm

Optimistic Spidernat today, huh?

Yeah, I don't get why people care about this type of thing.

freak that, I love my Nats. I just don't trust those cheap ass Lerners to loosen their grip on the look they're raking in. I'll believe in them when they show they are willing to do whatever it takes to field a perennial winner.

As for the stress this chat is causing, I don't even care what columnists write or think. I don't even read most of the crap they write. I keep up with transactions, follow the team closely, discuss it with you guys and my brothers and draw my own conclusions lest I be labeled unoriginal.

NFA Brian · « **Reply #56 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:47:11 pm »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on February 12, 2009, 01:37:22 pm

Cleveland, Oakland, Texas?????

Texas may have the only rotation in baseball worse than ours, I like Beane, but his teams haven't exactly accomplished anything. Cleveland made a run, but it may be over- their rotation is weaker, Hanfer and Martinez looked terrible last year, their OF outside of Sizemore is weak, their SS can't field and their 2b can't hit. . .

I believe his point was that those three teams restocked their farm systems through trades. If you take a look at the top ten lists for those three teams, they are heavily influenced by players acquired in deals of major leaguers.

ronnynat · « **Reply #57 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:47:45 pm »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on February 12, 2009, 01:42:44 pm

Two words Homer Bailey - let him develop

The difference between the two is age/experience.

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #58 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:48:26 pm »

Quote from: ronnynat on February 12, 2009, 01:45:01 pm

He's our #1 prospect. Look at the pitchers that we have at the MLB level. He'll be 23 when the season starts and he put up great numbers last year at the highest level of the minors (IMO). He deserves a spot in the rotation.

Yeah, I need to stop talking about him.

I sense a bit of a mancrush.

Personally, I kind of feel the same way about Martis. I really want to see him in the rotation, and I'm kind of bummed that he seems to be lost in the shuffle, but it's all about outdoing the competition in ST. If he gets a spot, he'll have to earn it, and that's how it should be.

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #59 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:48:53 pm »

Quote from: NFA Brian on February 12, 2009, 01:47:11 pm

I believe his point was that those three teams restocked their farm systems through trades. If you take a look at the top ten lists for those three teams, they are heavily influenced by players acquired in deals of major leaguers.

and we haven't done the same thing?

R-Zim#11 · « **Reply #60 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:49:05 pm »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on February 12, 2009, 01:42:14 pm

I'm starting to feel like ESPN just hates us- there are plenty of terrible teams to laugh at (Pirates, Royals, Padres, Braves, Reds, Astros . . .), yet somehow they love to heap crap on us and rip us for every move we make

I really got under his skin...

ronnynat · « **Reply #61 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:51:54 pm »

Quote from: ACTAvation Energy on February 12, 2009, 01:48:26 pm

I sense a bit of a mancrush.

Personally, I kind of feel the same way about Martis. I really want to see him in the rotation, and I'm kind of bummed that he seems to be lost in the shuffle, but it's all about outdoing the competition in ST. If he gets a spot, he'll have to earn it, and that's how it should be.

I wouldn't even be talking about Zimmermann if we had gotten Crow.

But no, it's not as much a "mancrush" as it is just looking at our current rotation and seeing that Zimmermann needs to be in it. If that fantasy trade of Greinke-for-whoever went down, I wouldn't even mention Zimmermann's name. We just need better starters on the Major League team.

spidernat · « **Reply #62 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:52:55 pm »

ronnynat must bounce from chick to chick a lot.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #63 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:54:04 pm »

Quote from: ACTAvation Energy on February 12, 2009, 01:44:01 pm

Exactly. And as a counterpoint, look at what Matt Garza did this past season. I don't think he even had a full season under his belt going into 2008, then he was money in the playoffs for Tampa.

no, but he had two partial seasons with Minn. I really like the way they break in their starters in long reilief - I wish we would give it a try with Zimmerman

blue911 · « **Reply #64 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:55:01 pm »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on February 12, 2009, 01:54:04 pm

no, but he had two partial seasons with Minn. I really like the way they break in their starters in long reilief - I wish we would give it a try with Zimmerman

Two ens ya cheap bastard!

ronnynat · « **Reply #65 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:55:35 pm »

Quote from: spidernat on February 12, 2009, 01:52:55 pm

ronnynat must bounce from chick to chick a lot.

I do, I do. Once they aren't prospects anymore, they kind of lose their appeal. Unless, of course, they're superstars.

NFA Brian · « **Reply #66 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:55:55 pm »

Quote from: sportsfan882 on February 12, 2009, 01:48:53 pm

and we haven't done the same thing?

Actually, no. Not in a way that those other teams did.

The Milledge deal is really the lone example.

Texas dealt Teixeira for a haul.

Oakland moved Harden and Haren for a bunch of stuff.

Cleveland dealt Sabathia and Blake for multiple players.

His point is guys like Belliard, Young, etc should have been dealt vice extended.

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #67 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:57:20 pm »

Quote from: NFA Brian on February 12, 2009, 01:55:55 pm

Actually, no. Not in a way that those other teams did.

The Milledge deal is really the lone example.

Texas dealt Teixeira for a haul.

Oakland moved Harden and Haren for a bunch of stuff.

Cleveland dealt Sabathia and Blake for multiple players.

His point is guys like Belliard, Young, etc should have been dealt vice extended.

These moves don't count?
-Livan Hernandez for Matt Chico and Garrett Mock
-Daryle Ward for Luis Atilano
-Mike Stanton for Shairon Martis
-Marlon Anderson for Jhonny Nunez; Jhonny Nunez for Alberto Gonzalez
-Brian Schneider and Ryan Church for Lastings Milledge
-Jon Rauch for Emilio Bonifacio; Emilio Bonifacio, Jake Smolinski, P.J. Dean for Josh Willingham and Scott Olsen
-Luis Ayala for Anderson Hernandez

Why the Belliard hate? He's done a swell job here. If Bowden had been offered a fair deal I'm sure he would have parted with either player. Apparently he did not.

spidernat · « **Reply #68 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:57:33 pm »

Quote from: ronnynat on February 12, 2009, 01:55:35 pm

I do, I do. Once they aren't prospects anymore, they kind of lose their appeal. Unless, of course, they're superstars.

The sportsfan syndrome.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #69 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:57:54 pm »

Quote from: NFA Brian on February 12, 2009, 01:55:55 pm

Actually, no. Not in a way that those other teams did.

The Milledge deal is really the lone example.

Texas dealt Teixeira for a haul.

Oakland moved Harden and Haren for a bunch of stuff.

Cleveland dealt Sabathia and Blake for multiple players.

His point is guys like Belliard, Young, etc should have been dealt vice extended.

The problem is for that to work, you need a Teix or a Harden or a Haren, or a Sabathia - we don't have guys like that. The closest we had was Soriano, but people are giving Bowden crap for not just giving him away

spidernat · « **Reply #70 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:58:52 pm »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on February 12, 2009, 01:57:54 pm

The problem is for that to work, you need a Teix or a Harden or a Haren, or a Sabathia - we don't have guys like that. The closest we had was Soriano, but people are giving Bowden crap for not just giving him away

I'm satisfied with what we got for Soriano.

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #71 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:59:56 pm »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on February 12, 2009, 01:57:54 pm

The problem is for that to work, you need a Teix or a Harden or a Haren, or a Sabathia - we don't have guys like that. The closest we had was Soriano, but people are giving Bowden crap for not just giving him away

good point

R-Zim#11 · « **Reply #72 on:** February 12, 2009, 02:00:14 pm »

Quote

Jon (Boston): Why are you so snarky?

I can answer that for our dear pal -- he clearly got shoved in way too many toilets in high school...

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #73 on:** February 12, 2009, 02:00:30 pm »

Law is getting hammered now. Excellent. And that nag is too scared to respond.

hammondsnats · « **Reply #74 on:** February 12, 2009, 02:01:08 pm »

Quote from: spidernat on February 12, 2009, 01:58:52 pm

I'm satisfied with what we got for Soriano.

+1/this. I was a huge fan of Alfie when he was with the club and would have loved to have seen us lock him long term, but he didn't fit into the plan and we had a pretty good return. We got 99 problems, but Jay Z ain't one. (well 102 problems)