Plan "B"

[MrMadison]

they have Cameron for now

then don't trade with the Brewers.  case closed.

I vehemently oppose trading Zimmerman just because we can, with nobody who is even capable of playing 3rd base at a decent level ready to step up.

we get a half-decent 3rd baseman, then we can trade Zimmerman for a box of bats for all I care.  but until then, he's the only 3rd baseman we have, and for THAT REASON ONLY, trading him would be colossally stupid.

regardless of how much everyone loves Milledge. at this point in time, *if* we sign another outfielder, he's the odd man out that has the best trade value.  I'd rather keep Milledge, but if he can get us a Fielder or a Gonzalez, or someone of that caliber, then byebye Milledge.

[Air Zimmerman]

it's really simple, finally turn "serious interest" into an actual signing and ink Bradley...

assemble this outfield: Milledge, Dukes, Bradley.

and do something with the scraps like Willingham and Kearns...trade them or let them rot on the bench. who cares.

[PANatsFan]

it's really simple, finally turn "serious interest" into an actual signing and ink Bradley...

assemble this outfield: Milledge, Dukes, Bradley.

and do something with the scraps like Willingham and Kearns...trade them or let them rot on the bench. who cares.

Right now, offensively, Willingham >> Milledge, and Willingham > Dukes. He's a professional hitter.

[natsfan4evr]

it's really simple, finally turn "serious interest" into an actual signing and ink Bradley...

assemble this outfield: Milledge, Dukes, Bradley.

and do something with the scraps like Willingham and Kearns...trade them or let them rot on the bench. who cares.

I think Milledge has more upside than Willingham personally.
I think making a 3 year/30 million offer is a little more than "serious interest" though.

[Air Zimmerman]

Right now, offensively, Willingham >> Milledge, and Willingham > Dukes. He's a professional hitter.

i hope this was another one of your jokes intended to get me riled up...because Willingham is nowhere NEAR the offensive threat that Dukes is.

[PANatsFan]

I think Milledge has more upside than Willingham personally

That's a totally different discussion. We mean right now - hell, if he has options, send Milledge to AAA to play everyday if we have FA, Dukes, Willingham. But Willingham will be at 1st before long at all.

[PANatsFan]

i hope this was another one of your jokes intended to get me riled up...because Willingham is nowhere NEAR the offensive threat that Dukes is.

Nah I'm serious man. Willingham gets on base all the time, hits a nice amount of homers and doubles. Dukes has the POTENTIAL. So many people here get them irrevocably intertwined.

[natsfan4evr]

Right now, offensively, Willingham >> Milledge, and Willingham > Dukes. He's a professional hitter.

I disagree

Willingham career numbers in 1422 ABs
.266 BA
63 HRs
11 triples
82 doubles
219 RBIs
13 SBs

Milledge 873 ABs
.263 BA
25 HRs
5 triples
40 doubles
112 RBIs
28 SBs

Milledge and Willingham are very similar. Milledge has more speed, but Willingham has more power.

[houston-nat]

Willingham can play first in a Milledge - Dukes - Bradley outfield. The problem is the front office thinks Bradley can play center, which creates Willingham - Bradley - Dukes, presumably, putting Milledge ... where?

[PANatsFan]

I disagree

Willingham career numbers in 1422 ABs
.266 BA
63 HRs
11 triples
82 doubles
219 RBIs
13 SBs

Milledge 873 ABs
.263 BA
25 HRs
5 triples
40 doubles
112 RBIs
28 SBs

Milledge and Willingham are very similar. Milledge has more speed, but Willingham has more power.

Gotta look at OBP man - Willingham is on base 15% more of the time.

With all those doubles he has all the speed he needs

[HalfSmokes]

Nah I'm serious man. Willingham gets on base all the time, hits a nice amount of homers and doubles. Dukes has the POTENTIAL. So many people here get them irrevocably intertwined.

http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=2103&playerid2=6441&playerid3=&position=OF&page=2&type=full

willingham and Milledge seem pretty comparable to me, I'll take the guy with the better defense, and the potential to improve next year personally over the guy with the bad back.

[natsfan4evr]

Gotta look at OBP man - Willingham is on base 15% more of the time.

With all those doubles he has all the speed he needs

Yes, the OBP is better, but Milledge is still young.
I like Willingham and Milledge. If we get Dunn, I think Milledge, Dukes, and Willingham will make a good OF offensively.

[HalfSmokes]

I disagree

Willingham career numbers in 1422 ABs
63 HRs
11 triples
82 doubles


Milledge 873 ABs

25 HRs
5 triples
40 doubles


Milledge and Willingham are very similar. Milledge has more speed, but Willingham has more power.

look at the number of at bats? You really consider that to be more power?

[PANatsFan]

look at the number of at bats? You really consider that to be more power?

1.75x the number of AB's, more than 2x the # of homers - 2x the doubles, 2x the triples, 20% more AB's.

Starting 2009, Willingham is a better hitter. In 2010, 2011, Milledge will be more valuable.  If you put Milledge in AAA, start Willingham in left, and put Johnson at 1B, in 2-3 weeks both Willingham and Milledge could be starting.

[MrMadison]

the ideal situation to me is, signing Dunn, keeping Milledge.

then we have Milledge-Dukes-Willingham, with Dunn at 1B, or Dun in RF and Willingham at 1B.

that's in a perfect world, given the current circumstance.

[MrMadison]

1.75x the number of AB's, more than 2x the # of homers - 2x the doubles, 2x the triples, 20% more AB's.

Starting 2009, Willingham is a better hitter. In 2010, 2011, Milledge will be more valuable.  If you put Milledge in AAA, start Willingham in left, and put Johnson at 1B, in 2-3 weeks both Willingham and Milledge could be starting.

"could?"

[PANatsFan]

the ideal situation to me is, signing Dunn, keeping Milledge.

then we have Milledge-Dukes-Willingham, with Dunn at 1B, or Dun in RF and Willingham at 1B.

that's in a perfect world, given the current circumstance.

And trade Johnson? Yes that works.

[HalfSmokes]

1.75x the number of AB's, more than 2x the # of homers - 2x the doubles, 2x the triples, 20% more AB's.

Starting 2009, Willingham is a better hitter. In 2010, 2011, Milledge will be more valuable.  If you put Milledge in AAA, start Willingham in left, and put Johnson at 1B, in 2-3 weeks both Willingham and Milledge could be starting.

Just wondering why you wouldn't send Duke's down- he's really a Dunn light at this point in his career as a batter

[natsfan4evr]

look at the number of at bats? You really consider that to be more power?

If you do AB per HR, Willingham would be ahead.

Willingham averages a HR every 22.6 ABs. Milledge every 34.9
Willingham averages a triple every 129.3 ABs. Milledge every 174.6
Willingham averages a double every 17.3 ABs. Milledge every 21.8

[PANatsFan]

Just wondering why you wouldn't send Duke's down- he's really a Dunn light at this point in his career as a batter

Haha went that way like 3 times in this thread already I'm giving AZ a New Year's break

[sportsfan882]

Milledge is better than Zimmerman. Okay. 

[PANatsFan]

P.S. Willingham has no options - and we all know how that game goes. AZ's boys may go down for that reason alone.

[sportsfan882]

Milledge even in his prime will never even put up the stats that Zimmerman put up in his rookie year.

[MrMadison]

Milledge even in his prime will never even put up the stats that Zimmerman put up in his rookie year.

I dunno about that, he's certainly capable of his .280 with 20 HRs.

[HalfSmokes]

P.S. Willingham has no options - and we all know how that game goes. AZ's boys may go down for that reason alone.

I really think we got him thinking 1b and will flip NJ for whatever Beane will give us. Worst case with NJ is we don't trade him during the off season and can't once he goes down and end up getting nothing. Some projections have already have him starting on the DL thanks to the last surgery