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Offline BerkeleyNat

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #950 on: January 01, 2009, 07:09:36 pm »
:lol: Elijah Dukes crosschops in New York was funny though :P

Damn, I wonder if Mutts are gonna give him some trouble next season.

I would imagine that he has endeared himself to the Mets fans for years to come. The question is....can he silence the crowd when they boo him?

MrMadison

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #951 on: January 01, 2009, 07:09:50 pm »
I don't think he's ever had any run-ins with the law. Could be wrong, but I think most of his stuff has been on the field antics.

right.

yet people (not necessarily here) seem to think he's some sort of criminal because he threw some temper tantrums during some games a few years ago.

he's got the "thug/criminal" reputation, when he is actually just a hothead.

Offline cmdterps44

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« Reply #952 on: January 01, 2009, 07:10:31 pm »
But take a second and just superimpose a Nats jersey over Board Game as he is trying to attack the ump, with Bud Black on his back, and him withering on the ground in pain....that could be a reality. 

True, I think it can happen to any player, but yea he is the most likely subject.

Put it this way though, if he was a Nat, at least we'd have a nickname for a player besides half of the last name with a Y at the end. :lol:

MrMadison

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #953 on: January 01, 2009, 07:11:06 pm »
:lol: Elijah Dukes crosschops in New York was funny though :P


yeah everybody loved that crap.  :?


Offline sportsfan882

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #954 on: January 01, 2009, 07:12:18 pm »
Bradley is a piece of crap. We don't need him here.

MrMadison

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #955 on: January 01, 2009, 07:12:48 pm »
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Controversies

[edit] 2005 season

In 2005, Bradley accused teammate Jeff Kent of being racist.

[edit] 2007 season

On September 23, 2007, Bradley tore his right ACL while being restrained by Padres manager Bud Black during an altercation with first base umpire Mike Winters. Home plate umpire Brian Runge reportedly told Bradley that Winters said that Bradley had tossed his bat in Runge's direction in a previous at-bat. After Bradley reached first base, he questioned Winters about the alleged bat throwing and subsequent communication with Runge. According to Bradley and Padres first base coach Bobby Meacham, Winters used a profanity towards Bradley. Bradley then moved towards Winters. While restrained by Black, Bradley fell to the ground resulting in the injury. He missed the last week of the regular season in 2007, during which the Padres relinquished thier division lead, ultimately losing to the eventual N.L. Champion Colorado Rockies in a one game playoff.

Winters was suspended for the remainder of the season and disqualified from the postseason for the incident, after MLB determined that he indeed directed obscene language toward Bradley. Bradley was not suspended, the MLB reasoning that there was no need since he didn't make physical contact with Winters.[7]

[edit] 2008 season

According to the Dallas Morning News Bradley attempted to confront Kansas City Royals television announcer Ryan Lefebvre in the press box following a game due to what he believed were unfair comments made on the air. As the Rangers' designated hitter, Bradley was able to watch the broadcast when he wasn't on the field and took offense to a comparison Lefebrve made between him and Josh Hamilton. Manager Ron Washington and general manager Jon Daniels chased after him and stopped Bradley before he got to Lefebvre, at which point Bradley returned to the clubhouse in tears and said

    "All I want to do is play baseball and make a better life for my kid than I had, that's it," Bradley said to a quiet clubhouse. "I love all you guys. ... I'm strong, but I'm not that strong."

Daniels said that Bradley was upset that someone that didn't know him was passing judgments about him.

that's "Team Cancer" Bradley, in a nutshell.

Offline cmdterps44

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #956 on: January 01, 2009, 07:12:50 pm »
yeah everybody loved that crap.  :?

The incident wasnt funny, I just thought the choice of expressing himself was. I mean come on, a WWF "suck it" to the Mutts, that is a clever way :P

Still hope he doesn't get all riled up in NY from now on though.

MrMadison

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #957 on: January 01, 2009, 07:13:13 pm »
Bradley is a piece of crap. We don't need him here.

everyone except Zimmerman and Flores is a "piece of crap" to you. *shrug*

Offline HalfSmokes

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #958 on: January 01, 2009, 07:15:23 pm »
Bradley reminds me of a lot of guys on our team, if you look at his numbers, he's good when he plays, but he never really puts together a whole season. Not to mention that his stats last year were inflated by lineup and ballpark.

Offline sportsfan882

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #959 on: January 01, 2009, 07:15:53 pm »
everyone except Zimmerman and Flores is a "piece of crap" to you. *shrug*
Think what you want. The truth is undeniable. Bradley is an uncontrollable hothead that will never learn. He's a detriment to any team especially a young team like ours' that is trying to establish itself.

Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #960 on: January 01, 2009, 07:16:53 pm »
from what I know he's simply just a hothead. much like Jose Guillen. except he's a much better hitter.

when he was with the Dodgers he didn't get along with Jeff Kent and called him a racist, or something like that.  but Jeff Kent is an jerk, from everything I've heard. the deal was Kent didn't like Bradley, and Bradley didn't like Kent.

beyond that I haven't heard of anything that would make him a "team cancer" other than sensationalist arguments from forum posters, basing their entire opinion on his on-field tantrums. not just you, but on other forums as well.

then again, I don't really know him that well.

and the incident in san diego, from what I recall that was a long-running thing with that same umpire. the ump freaked with him earlier in the season, and then freaked with him again and he snapped.  but I don't know all the details behind it.

Why would you even want that on your team? That isn't a baseball player, that is a sideshow act.

True, no one knows what goes on behind the scenes, but enough of it has spilled out into public view that you can make an educated guess this guy isn't all there.

Not getting a long with players, arguing with management and umps, not able to control himself....that speaks volumes. I don't see why anyone would need it spelled out for them. The proof is in the pudding.

The guy has only had three over 100 game seasons in his eight years in the Majors. Injuries play a factor too.

Cubs have an interest in him, though. Would he even think of coming to a 102-loss team?

Offline HalfSmokes

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #961 on: January 01, 2009, 07:17:45 pm »
Think what you want. The truth is undeniable. Bradley is an uncontrollable hothead that will never learn. He's a detriment to any team especially a young team like ours' that is trying to establish itself.

we specialize in that- Dukes, Young, Olsen, and Milledge to some degree

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« Reply #962 on: January 01, 2009, 07:18:38 pm »
we specialize in that- Dukes, Young, Olsen, and Milledge to some degree

Milledge is more "immature" and "unseasoned" than trouble, IMO. I think he'll come along nicely eventually.

Offline BerkeleyNat

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #963 on: January 01, 2009, 07:19:42 pm »
we specialize in that- Dukes, Young, Olsen, and Milledge to some degree

I wouldn't include Milledge in that group. He got a bad rap in New York because he high fived fans after a homer and released a bad rap album.

Offline sportsfan882

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #964 on: January 01, 2009, 07:19:43 pm »
we specialize in that- Dukes, Young, Olsen, and Milledge to some degree
At least Dukes, Milledge, and Olsen are still young. Milledge hasn't been a problem anyways. Olsen starts here with a clean slate.

Bradley is 30 and should know better.. but he still pulls the same crap every year.

MrMadison

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« Reply #965 on: January 01, 2009, 07:19:46 pm »
Bradley's a hothead. that's all there is to it. he's not a "Team Cancer".  he's not a criminal, he's not a "piece of crap", he's not going to ruin the Nationals. he's just a guy who can't control a temper.

he's Jose Guillen, with better hitting skills.

if you are opposed to having such a hothead on the team, then that's fine.  but don't try to sensationalize his issues.  Bradley simply has an issue with his temper.

I mean seriously. everybody loves this guy with an actual criminal record a mile long since, threatened to shoot his ex-girlfriend and his child, is the definition of a Maury Show "you are the" father and thinks he's a vital part of the team's future. in 2007 everyone loved a proven wife-choker named Young. and I include myself in this.

but someone who throws temper tantrums on the field is just way over the line. right?

MrMadison

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #966 on: January 01, 2009, 07:21:39 pm »
in the interest of clarity, Bradley is not at all my first choice. 

I'd rather have Dunn or Bobby Abreu.

but I won't pitch a fit if it ends up being Bradley.

I just don't agree with calling him what he's not. I've heard nothing that leads me to believe he'll destroy the clubhouse or he's some sort of major team cancer or anything like that.

he's a potential distraction, yes. injury-prone, sure. hotheaded, absolutely.

but acquiring him wouldn't be the worst thing to happen to this team.

MrMadison

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« Reply #967 on: January 01, 2009, 07:23:42 pm »
I wouldn't include Milledge in that group. He got a bad rap in New York because he high fived fans after a homer and released a bad rap album.

agreed.

Offline ronnynat

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #968 on: January 01, 2009, 07:24:02 pm »
At least Dukes, Milledge, and Olsen are still young. Milledge hasn't been a problem anyways. Olsen starts here with a clean slate.

Bradley is 30 and should know better.. but he still pulls the same crap every year.

If he can stay healthy and doesn't get suspended, who cares? Most here don't care if a player is a "nice guy," so why should we care if he's a "hothead"?

Offline HalfSmokes

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« Reply #969 on: January 01, 2009, 07:24:13 pm »
At least Dukes, Milledge, and Olsen are still young. Milledge hasn't been a problem anyways. Olsen starts here with a clean slate.

Bradley is 30 and should know better.. but he still pulls the same crap every year.

I agree, I'm just saying we don't shy away from guys because of off the field issues- maybe that  is our version of 'moneyball' Beane goes for value in OBP, we go for guys who are devalued for rapping

Offline sportsfan882

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« Reply #970 on: January 01, 2009, 07:27:46 pm »
If he can stay healthy and doesn't get suspended, who cares? Most here don't care if a player is a "nice guy," so why should we care if he's a "hothead"?
I don't care if he's a "nice guy" but if he's going to tear apart the locker room and and create unnecessary turmoil we do not need that here.

I doubt he'd stay healthy here anyways. He'd be hurt a lot and when he isn't hurt he'd be pissing off teammates and getting into fights with umpires.

MrMadison

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« Reply #971 on: January 01, 2009, 07:28:38 pm »
I don't care if he's a "nice guy" but if he's going to tear apart the locker room and and create unnecessary turmoil we do not need that here.

I doubt he'd stay healthy here anyways. He'd be hurt a lot and when he isn't hurt he'd be pissing off teammates and getting into fights with umpires.

beyond Jeff Kent. what teammates has he pissed off and how has he "torn apart locker rooms"?

Offline sportsfan882

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« Reply #972 on: January 01, 2009, 07:33:41 pm »
beyond Jeff Kent. what teammates has he pissed off and how has he "torn apart locker rooms"?
Whatever dude. If you want a guy that throws crap into stands and gets into fights with commentators and umpires that's your choice.

He wouldn't fit in here. Maybe a team with a lot of proven veteran leadership could deal with him but I don't think it'd be a wise choice to bring him in here where we have almost no leaders and are the youngest team in the Majors.

Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #973 on: January 01, 2009, 07:37:56 pm »
but don't try to sensationalize his issues. 

He certainly doesn't need anyone's help pertaining to this.

EDIT: Maybe him and Wily Mo can cry on each other's shoulders.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/baseball/rangers/stories/061208dnsporangersbradley.3c7e26f.html

MrMadison

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« Reply #974 on: January 01, 2009, 07:41:34 pm »
Whatever dude.

your typical response when you rant off crap, but you don't really know anything about it.

at least NOTLD is taking the time to inform himself when making his case, and is actually making sensible points.  you just rant and then say "whatever dude" when someone asks you to back up your statements.  if you are going to claim something, you should be able to back it up.

If you want a guy that throws crap into stands and gets into fights with commentators and umpires that's your choice.
 

you've got Bradley confused with that other guy from the Rangers who threw a chair into the stands.

and even so, people loved it when Livan threw his crap into the stands.  it was a major, interesting story.  and people went ape when Guillen threw every bat in the dugout onto the field, because they loved his "fire" or some crap like that.