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Offline cmdterps44

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1000 on: January 02, 2009, 03:32:42 pm »
Quote from: ACTAvation Energy on January 02, 2009, 03:18:43 pm
I pretty much tune out whenever I read stuff like that.

I had an idea earlier.  If we were to sign both Orlando Hudson and a big bat, I wonder if we could trade the A's a package of big leaguers for some quality prospects.  I'm talking elite, ML-ready pitchers.

We could package up Milledge, Nick Johnson, and Guzman (if they don't sign Furcal) and trade them away for a really good return.  It sounds crazy at first because Guzman and Milledge are two of our starters, but I really think we could make do without them.  We could use this as a real open audition for Alberto Gonzalez and Anderson Hernandez.  Neither of them are offensively that good, but most SS's are bad at the plate, anyway.  If they're both as good as reputed, defensively, they could give us one of the best infields in baseball.

With the glut of outfielders we might end up having, if we sign Dunn and/or Bradley, Milledge is starting to become somewhat expendable.

what would be worth getting from them with a package like that?
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Offline HalfSmokes

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1001 on: January 02, 2009, 03:35:05 pm »
Quote from: ACTAvation Energy on January 02, 2009, 03:28:01 pm
James Simmons, Brett Anderson, and Trevor Cahill

I doubt we get them to part with Cahill, but if we could I would go for it even with my hatred of pitchers
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Offline blue911

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1002 on: January 02, 2009, 03:36:16 pm »
Quote from: ACTAvation Energy on January 02, 2009, 03:18:43 pm
I pretty much tune out whenever I read stuff like that.

I had an idea earlier.  If we were to sign both Orlando Hudson and a big bat, I wonder if we could trade the A's a package of big leaguers for some quality prospects.  I'm talking elite, ML-ready pitchers.

We could package up Milledge, Nick Johnson, and Guzman (if they don't sign Furcal) and trade them away for a really good return.  It sounds crazy at first because Guzman and Milledge are two of our starters, but I really think we could make do without them.  We could use this as a real open audition for Alberto Gonzalez and Anderson Hernandez.  Neither of them are offensively that good, but most SS's are bad at the plate, anyway.  If they're both as good as reputed, defensively, they could give us one of the best infields in baseball.

With the glut of outfielders we might end up having, if we sign Dunn and/or Bradley, Milledge is starting to become somewhat expendable.

Furcal signed with the Dodgers 2 weeks ago.
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Offline hammondsnats

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1003 on: January 02, 2009, 03:48:32 pm »
HELLO ... MCFLY!!! 

haha furcal signed weeks ago w/ the dodgers and to the blogger, emilio has been gone.

face it milledge is staying.  the pads aren't going to trade adrian gonzalez and the brewers are asking for everything for prince fielder.
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Offline KnorrForYourMoney

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1004 on: January 02, 2009, 03:55:05 pm »
Quote from: blue911 on January 02, 2009, 03:36:16 pm
Furcal signed with the Dodgers 2 weeks ago.
Heh.  My post wasn't contingent on that, though.

(This is what I get for recently reading a blog post on the Braves' situation with Furcal when it was weeks old.)
Quote from: hammondsnats on January 02, 2009, 03:48:32 pm
HELLO ... MCFLY!!! 

haha furcal signed weeks ago w/ the dodgers and to the blogger, emilio has been gone.

face it milledge is staying.  the pads aren't going to trade adrian gonzalez and the brewers are asking for everything for prince fielder.
We have no chance of getting either of those guys.  Our entire organization is too thin.

But this is offseason - it's fantasyland!  We can pretend that anything can happen.  We can even pretend that Lastings Milledge is going to become an above average ML player!
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Offline hammondsnats

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1005 on: January 02, 2009, 04:02:57 pm »
Quote from: ACTAvation Energy on January 02, 2009, 03:55:05 pm
We can even pretend that Lastings Milledge is going to become an above average ML player!

Yeah leading the team in homers, stolen bases and rbis while missing a month of action all at the age of 22/23 and playing CF for the first time ... pretty good.  Especially with it being in this line-up and he ranked 1st in the NL in AVG, RBI and SB in his age group (over Bruce, Upton, DeWitt, Stewart)

Nice try though.  Continue to bash Milledge even though he's a youngster and has already shown flashes of being a good player for years to come.

Hey, but maybe we can trade him for Furcal?  He still play for the Braves, right? 8)
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Offline spidernat

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1006 on: January 02, 2009, 04:18:06 pm »
:rofl:  Some people are just enamored with everything the A's do. I guess Billy Beane and those WS rings speak for themselves.


Quote from: blue911 on January 02, 2009, 03:36:16 pm
Furcal signed with the Dodgers 2 weeks ago.


:rofl:
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Offline tomterp

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1007 on: January 02, 2009, 04:20:11 pm »
Quote from: spidernat on January 02, 2009, 04:18:06 pm
:rofl:  Some people are just enamored with everything the A's do. I guess Billy Beane and those WS rings speak for themselves.



:rofl:

From where we sit, modest accomplishments seem larger.
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Offline spidernat

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1008 on: January 02, 2009, 04:21:38 pm »
Quote from: tomterp on January 02, 2009, 04:20:11 pm
From where we sit, modest accomplishments seem larger.

That's a very good point tomterp. However, that can be said about other organizations' modest accomplishments when compared to ours. But there seems to be an obsession with everything Billy Beane does.
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Offline blue911

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1009 on: January 02, 2009, 04:27:22 pm »
Quote from: spidernat on January 02, 2009, 04:21:38 pm
That's a very good point tomterp. However, that can be said about other organizations' modest accomplishments when compared to ours. But there seems to be an obsession with everything Billy Beane does.

The offensive juggernaut that is the A's outscored the Nationals by 5 runs.

NOTE: Those are the superior AL runs NOT the inferior NL runs.
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Offline houston-nat

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1010 on: January 02, 2009, 04:37:07 pm »
Quote from: blue911 on January 02, 2009, 04:27:22 pm
The offensive juggernaut that is the A's outscored the Nationals by 5 runs.
Sweet Jesus Cucumbers.
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Offline Nat of the Living Dead

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1011 on: January 02, 2009, 04:37:51 pm »
Quote from: houston-nat on January 02, 2009, 03:09:17 pm
Here's a blogger who suggests we should use the Teixeira money to sign SP Chuck James and a couple of relievers, and use the rest on Stephen Strasburg. Unfortunately, he thinks we shouldn't get O-Dog because he thinks we still have Bonifacio. :|
http://www.mlbnotebook.com/2009/01/how-nationals-should-spend-their-money.html

Probably works for ESPN.
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Offline spidernat

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1012 on: January 02, 2009, 04:38:17 pm »
They were ranked 30th in hitting last season, dead last (The Nats were 26th). Their team average was .242 to Washington's .251, of course we all know BA doesn't count it's OBP that counts.  :lol:  I think their team OBP was .314 while ours was .317, I could be wrong on those numbers though. crap OPS was .696 to .687 in our favor. They did pitch better than us though.
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Offline HalfSmokes

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1013 on: January 02, 2009, 04:43:32 pm »
Quote from: spidernat on January 02, 2009, 04:38:17 pm
They were ranked 30th in hitting last season, dead last (The Nats were 26th). Their team average was .242 to Washington's .251, of course we all know BA doesn't count it's OBP that counts.  :lol:  I think their team OBP was .314 while ours was .317, I could be wrong on those numbers though. crap OPS was .696 to .687 in our favor. They did pitch better than us though.

Cust will do that to an average - Dunn will do the same to us if we get him
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Offline spidernat

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1014 on: January 02, 2009, 04:46:26 pm »
Quote from: HalfSmokes on January 02, 2009, 04:43:32 pm
Cust will do that to an average - Dunn will do the same to us if we get him

They did connect on 8 more homers.  :?  But I doubt Beane disciples would have an issue with Dunn considering his OBP.
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Offline KnorrForYourMoney

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1015 on: January 02, 2009, 04:53:26 pm »
Spidey, you seem to have an awfully odd, troublesome problem with Billy Beane and the fact that he receives any praise considering you randomly brought him up when nobody here was really "worshipping" him.

Sit down - tell us about your problems.

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Offline spidernat

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1016 on: January 02, 2009, 04:54:10 pm »
:rofl:  That's pretty good.

But who said anything about worshiping Beane? Don't worry, it was probably just a Freudian slip on your part.   :lol:
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Offline KnorrForYourMoney

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1017 on: January 02, 2009, 05:00:22 pm »
Okay, you said "obsession."  Potato - puh-tah-to

I have no idea if Billy Beane scouted/decided to draft Trevor Cahill, and it means not a damn thing to me.
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Offline natsfan4evr

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1018 on: January 02, 2009, 05:14:06 pm »
Quote from: sportsfan882 on January 02, 2009, 03:15:39 pm
James is out for all of 2009 due to a rotator cuff surgery.
I'd take him over Colome
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Offline PANatsFan

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1019 on: January 02, 2009, 05:14:34 pm »
Quote from: houston-nat on January 02, 2009, 03:09:17 pm
Here's a blogger who suggests we should use the Teixeira money to sign SP Chuck James and a couple of relievers, and use the rest on Stephen Strasburg. Unfortunately, he thinks we shouldn't get O-Dog because he thinks we still have Bonifacio. :|
http://www.mlbnotebook.com/2009/01/how-nationals-should-spend-their-money.html

Yeah he's a whopping idiot who thought it wise to throw a few million at an injured LEFTY and some random bullpen guys and that we'd be all fixed :lol:
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Offline natsfan4evr

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1020 on: January 02, 2009, 05:19:01 pm »
Quote from: PANatsFan on January 02, 2009, 05:14:34 pm
Yeah he's a whopping idiot who through a few million at an injured LEFTY
Also, Draft picks don't come from the same pot of money.
I doubt we get Strasburg for 6.5 million either. I'm thinking 8-9 million plus a guaranteed ML contract. Boras knows he has us over a barrel, after last years Crow fiasco.
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Offline spidernat

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1021 on: January 02, 2009, 05:30:49 pm »
I can't wait until Opening Day (roughly 13 weeks away) so we can end all this speculation and just root for the Nats.
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Offline PANatsFan

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1022 on: January 02, 2009, 05:42:31 pm »
Quote from: natsfan4evr on January 02, 2009, 05:19:01 pm
Also, Draft picks don't come from the same pot of money.
I doubt we get Strasburg for 6.5 million either. I'm thinking 8-9 million plus a guaranteed ML contract. Boras knows he has us over a barrel, after last years Crow fiasco.
Glad you understood my ungrammatical gibberish :lol: My brain is so fried.
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Offline Nat of the Living Dead

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1023 on: January 02, 2009, 05:46:26 pm »
Quote from: spidernat on January 02, 2009, 05:30:49 pm
I can't wait until Opening Day (roughly 13 weeks away) so we can end all this speculation and just root for the Nats.

Agreed. I usually enjoy the off season and it's banter, but this year has been a little rough.
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Offline DCFan

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1024 on: January 02, 2009, 05:47:33 pm »
Quote from: ACTAvation Energy on January 02, 2009, 03:18:43 pm
I pretty much tune out whenever I read stuff like that.

Which is pretty much my philosophy on all fake trades.  :glug:
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