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Offline PANatsFan

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #825 on: January 01, 2009, 10:25:48 am »
Dukes has proved he is just as fragile, physically and mentally. How many full seasons has this guy put together? Bradley? Can't see that outfield as anything but a bad rollercoaster ride.

Remember what I said about creativity? There you go.

Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #826 on: January 01, 2009, 10:29:09 am »
Remember what I said about creativity? There you go.

Oh, I get it. So if it is about spinning tea cups, butterflies, and lollipops, it is okay.....

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #827 on: January 01, 2009, 10:29:43 am »
Oh, I get it. So if it is about spinning tea cups, butterflies, and lollipops, it is okay.....

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #828 on: January 01, 2009, 11:02:20 am »
This was the year they were supposed to go after good veteran players. They'd only be ditching the plan if they were dealing our top prospects.
No it wasn't! There was never a hard date mentioned as to when they'd start going after free agents. It was always stated that getting free agents would be to add the last pieces to the puzzle.

But all that changed when Ted Lerner with his remarks during the hunt for Tex that he was taking over the reins from "the baseball people" and doing it his way from now on. That confirmed all the reports that Kasten was on the outs with the Lerners and was even looking at positions with other teams (Toronto was specifically mentioned).

It shows that the Lerners were embarrassed with the team Kasten put on the field this past year and they weren't going to tell the Nats fans to endure 100 loss seasons for how many years it takes for the draft picks to get to the big leagues, particularly when they lost last year's #1 pick over the difference of a few hundred thou.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #829 on: January 01, 2009, 11:08:25 am »
No it wasn't! There was never a hard date mentioned as to when they'd start going after free agents. It was always stated that getting free agents would be to add the last pieces to the puzzle.

But all that changed when Ted Lerner with his remarks during the hunt for Tex that he was taking over the reins from "the baseball people" and doing it his way from now on. That confirmed all the reports that Kasten was on the outs with the Lerners and was even looking at positions with other teams (Toronto was specifically mentioned).

It shows that the Lerners were embarrassed with the team Kasten put on the field this past year and they weren't going to tell the Nats fans to endure 100 loss seasons for how many years it takes for the draft picks to get to the big leagues, particularly when they lost last year's #1 pick over the difference of a few hundred thou.


That's some serious reading between the lines. Do you have a link for that interview?

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #830 on: January 01, 2009, 11:32:19 am »

That's some serious reading between the lines. Do you have a link for that interview?
I believe it was in that big arsed Tex thread that got locked.  I'm going to mass now but I'll see if I can track it down later this afternoon.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #831 on: January 01, 2009, 11:37:34 am »

That's some serious reading between the lines. Do you have a link for that interview?

Found it;

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/11182289/3

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Re: Plan "B"
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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #833 on: January 01, 2009, 01:45:58 pm »
Excellent - thanks

The most encouraging words of the year:

One person with knowledge of the Nats' winter approach characterized Lerner's attitude this way: "I've tried it their (baseball's) way. Now I'm going to try it my way."

Offline zoom

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #834 on: January 01, 2009, 01:51:42 pm »
i always thought Lerner was referring to the Tex negotiations and not necessarily changing 'the plan'.  However, i would assume i am wrong if we are offering 3/30 to Bradley. 

Just curious, is Tyler Clippard out of our plans?  I don't hear anything about him any more.  He seemed to have a limited ceiling, but i didn't think he pitched himself out of a job. 

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #835 on: January 01, 2009, 01:59:22 pm »
i always thought Lerner was referring to the Tex negotiations and not necessarily changing 'the plan'.  However, i would assume i am wrong if we are offering 3/30 to Bradley. 

Just curious, is Tyler Clippard out of our plans?  I don't hear anything about him any more.  He seemed to have a limited ceiling, but i didn't think he pitched himself out of a job. 
Clippard will get a chance in the Spring to make the rotation. At best he's a long-term #4 or #5. He had an up and down year in AAA last season and finished off the year on a down note which cost him a call-up to the Majors.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #836 on: January 01, 2009, 02:11:48 pm »
i always thought Lerner was referring to the Tex negotiations and not necessarily changing 'the plan'. 

I think the approach of developing your own pitchers makes a lot of sense.  Others can check me on this, but that strikes me as the area where the worst free agent deals have been (see Zito, Barry).  But acquiring position players who can play four or five years for you seems to make more sense.  Less injury risk than with pitchers.  Plus, you get an everyday player vs. someone that pitches 6-7 innnings every fifth day.


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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #837 on: January 01, 2009, 02:23:02 pm »
I think the approach of developing your own pitchers makes a lot of sense.  Others can check me on this, but that strikes me as the area where the worst free agent deals have been (see Zito, Barry).  But acquiring position players who can play four or five years for you seems to make more sense.  Less injury risk than with pitchers.  Plus, you get an everyday player vs. someone that pitches 6-7 innnings every fifth day.



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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #838 on: January 01, 2009, 02:32:57 pm »
ESPN reporting that the Giants are "aggressively" pursuing Manny Ramirez. They also said that Lowe is unhappy with the Mets offer. I wouldn't mind seeing the Nats go after Lowe. I would much rather have him on our side than have to face him with the Mets. We batted .130 against him last year in two starts. Supposedly the Phillies are also interested in Lowe.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #839 on: January 01, 2009, 02:33:00 pm »
Just curious, is Tyler Clippard out of our plans?  I don't hear anything about him any more.  He seemed to have a limited ceiling, but i didn't think he pitched himself out of a job. 

i hope so. i don't know why Clip didn't get a longer look last year in the majors.

*funny somewhat related story- i got into a semi-heated argument on another message-board with a guy who is Matt Chico's cousin...i told him Chico was forgotten in the Nationals rotation and he got all bent out of shape. it was pretty entertaining.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #840 on: January 01, 2009, 02:42:31 pm »
New Ladson article on the Nats website:

GM Bowden not done improving Nats
Washington would like to add pitchers, left-handed hitter
By Bill Ladson / MLB.com


WASHINGTON -- General manager Jim Bowden is far from done in terms of improving the Nationals, who lost 102 games this past season.
After acquiring left-hander Scott Olsen and outfielder Josh Willingham from the Marlins in November, the only major move Bowden has made is signing right-hander Daniel Cabrera to a one-year deal.

After losing out to the Yankees in the Mark Texieira sweepstakes, the Nationals are still looking for a left-handed-hitting first baseman. Free agent Adam Dunn is an option, but he's not Teixeira's equal with the glove or the bat.

Dunn, 28, and Bowden have a history together with the Reds. Bowden drafted Dunn in the second round of the 1998 First-Year Player Draft. Three years later, Dunn was in the big leagues and became Cincinnati's best power hitter. In fact, Dunn has hit at least 40 home runs for five straight years. While he has a .247 career batting average, Dunn has a .381 on-base percentage and is versatile in the field.

It's true the Nationals have interest in Prince Fielder, but it's doubtful the Brewers will trade the left-handed-hitting slugger.

If the Nationals don't get Dunn or Fielder, they may have no choice but to stick with Nick Johnson, who has one year left on his contract. The organization has been frustrated with Johnson because he gets hurt every year and is out of action for long stretches. In 2008, Johnson missed most of the season because of a right wrist injury. But Johnson said he will be ready for Spring Training.

Also look for the Nationals to go after Orlando Hudson. He said recently that he has interest in the Nationals. If he were to come on board, Hudson could possibly be the leadoff hitter the Nats have been missing for years. He also is a Gold Glove Award winner at second base.

The Nationals are overloaded with outfielders. The problem is, most of them may be hard to trade because of injuries. Lastings Milledge, Willie Harris and Roger Bernadina were the only outfielders who ended the season healthy.
 
Harris is going nowhere because of his hard work on the field. The team does not consider Milledge a center fielder. He is more suited for left or right field, but Willingham, Elijah Dukes and Austin Kearns play those positions as well. Milledge could be trade bait before the season starts.

"We are exploring a lot of possibilities," Bowden said. "I think, obviously, we would like to have a big left-handed bat in the middle of our lineup. So that's a priority. We want to continue to add starting pitching and bullpen. I would say that most of our discussions were for those three areas."

Grading on a curve: On a scale of 1 to 10, the Nationals get a 5, because they are not finished with their offseason plans. It helps that they acquired Olsen, Willingham and Cabrera, but those players are not difference makers. The offseason has been slow for Washington when it comes to fixing the Major League team because they were waiting for Teixeira to make a decision.

Arrivals: Olsen, Willingham and Cabrera

Departures: INF Aaron Boone, INF Emilio Bonifacio, RHP Jesus Colome, RHP Chad Cordero, LHP Odalis Perez, RHP Tim Redding.

The road ahead: Don't look for the Nationals to acquire a big-name starting pitcher. Expect them to rely heavily on young pitchers such as John Lannan and Collin Balester.

Bill Ladson is a reporter for MLB.com.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #841 on: January 01, 2009, 02:44:44 pm »
New Ladson article on the Nats website:

GM Bowden not done improving Nats
Washington would like to add pitchers, left-handed hitter
By Bill Ladson / MLB.com


WASHINGTON -- General manager Jim Bowden is far from done in terms of improving the Nationals, who lost 102 games this past season.
After acquiring left-hander Scott Olsen and outfielder Josh Willingham from the Marlins in November, the only major move Bowden has made is signing right-hander Daniel Cabrera to a one-year deal.

After losing out to the Yankees in the Mark Texieira sweepstakes, the Nationals are still looking for a left-handed-hitting first baseman. Free agent Adam Dunn is an option, but he's not Teixeira's equal with the glove or the bat.

Dunn, 28, and Bowden have a history together with the Reds. Bowden drafted Dunn in the second round of the 1998 First-Year Player Draft. Three years later, Dunn was in the big leagues and became Cincinnati's best power hitter. In fact, Dunn has hit at least 40 home runs for five straight years. While he has a .247 career batting average, Dunn has a .381 on-base percentage and is versatile in the field.

It's true the Nationals have interest in Prince Fielder, but it's doubtful the Brewers will trade the left-handed-hitting slugger.

If the Nationals don't get Dunn or Fielder, they may have no choice but to stick with Nick Johnson, who has one year left on his contract. The organization has been frustrated with Johnson because he gets hurt every year and is out of action for long stretches. In 2008, Johnson missed most of the season because of a right wrist injury. But Johnson said he will be ready for Spring Training.

Also look for the Nationals to go after Orlando Hudson. He said recently that he has interest in the Nationals. If he were to come on board, Hudson could possibly be the leadoff hitter the Nats have been missing for years. He also is a Gold Glove Award winner at second base.

The Nationals are overloaded with outfielders. The problem is, most of them may be hard to trade because of injuries. Lastings Milledge, Willie Harris and Roger Bernadina were the only outfielders who ended the season healthy.
 
Harris is going nowhere because of his hard work on the field. The team does not consider Milledge a center fielder. He is more suited for left or right field, but Willingham, Elijah Dukes and Austin Kearns play those positions as well. Milledge could be trade bait before the season starts.

"We are exploring a lot of possibilities," Bowden said. "I think, obviously, we would like to have a big left-handed bat in the middle of our lineup. So that's a priority. We want to continue to add starting pitching and bullpen. I would say that most of our discussions were for those three areas."

Grading on a curve: On a scale of 1 to 10, the Nationals get a 5, because they are not finished with their offseason plans. It helps that they acquired Olsen, Willingham and Cabrera, but those players are not difference makers. The offseason has been slow for Washington when it comes to fixing the Major League team because they were waiting for Teixeira to make a decision.

Arrivals: Olsen, Willingham and Cabrera

Departures: INF Aaron Boone, INF Emilio Bonifacio, RHP Jesus Colome, RHP Chad Cordero, LHP Odalis Perez, RHP Tim Redding.

The road ahead: Don't look for the Nationals to acquire a big-name starting pitcher. Expect them to rely heavily on young pitchers such as John Lannan and Collin Balester.

Bill Ladson is a reporter for MLB.com.

going off of this article, I say:

put Dukes in Center.

Sign Dunn or Milton Bradley to play the other corner OF.

if you *have* to trade Milledge, put him in a package for Prince Fielder.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #842 on: January 01, 2009, 02:45:24 pm »
If/when we get someone like Dunn, I would consider packaging up Milledge and NJ and trying to send them to the A's for some of their young starting pitching.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #843 on: January 01, 2009, 02:46:23 pm »
Milledge, Johnson, and a Minor League Pitcher(Detwiler?) for Fielder. 

fantasy trades, ftw.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #844 on: January 01, 2009, 02:48:00 pm »
Milledge, Johnson, and a Minor League Pitcher(Detwiler?) for Fielder Gonzalez.

fantasy trades, ftw.

Fixed.  :)

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #845 on: January 01, 2009, 02:49:12 pm »
Fixed.  :)

either is fine with me.

I think the Brewers would be more prone to doing a deal than the Padres though.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #846 on: January 01, 2009, 02:51:44 pm »
either is fine with me.

I think the Brewers would be more prone to doing a deal than the Padres though.

Fielder's weight scares me. I just think that at some point in his career it's gonna be an issue.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #847 on: January 01, 2009, 02:52:48 pm »
Milledge, Zimmermen, Johnson, and a Minor League Pitcher(Detwiler?) for Fielder. 

fantasy trades, ftw.

Fixed  ;)

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #848 on: January 01, 2009, 02:53:24 pm »
Fielder's weight scares me. I just think that at some point in his career it's gonna be an issue.

heavyset people scare everyone. *shrug*

all I know is, Fielder can f*ckin rake(instantly the best hitter on our team, easy), he's left-handed, he plays 1B, and he's only turning 25 this year.


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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #849 on: January 01, 2009, 02:53:56 pm »