Plan "B"

[spidernat]

Skipping 'Plan C' and going to 'Plan D'....as in defectors.   

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3798491

They would cost money to acquire.

[PatsNats28]

They would cost money to acquire.

I'm too lazy to look up that pic of the Joker and the Nationals fan pic, otherwise I'd post it right now.

[hammondsnats]

I'm too lazy to look up that pic of the Joker and the Nationals fan pic, otherwise I'd post it right now.

you're welcome

haha i think i've turned most of the board against the Lerners!!!

[Nat of the Living Dead]

haha i think i've turned most of the board against the Lerners!!!

Not this poster. I have yet to join your reign of paranoia.

[PatsNats28]

you're welcome

haha i think i've turned most of the board against the Lerners!!!

There we go!

[hammondsnats]

Not this poster. I have yet to join your reign of paranoia.

come NOTLD, join us on the darkside!

[sportsfan882]

Not this poster. I have yet to join your reign of paranoia.

Will you join if come Opening Day we have not signed or traded for any legit players?

[ronnynat]

Will you join if come Opening Day we have not signed or traded for any legit players?

It's not the Lerners' fault if players don't want to come here right now. They offered the biggest contract to the best offensive player available, and he passed. I give them an A for effort. It's going to be up to the players that ARE here now to stay healthy and produce this season so better players will want to come here in the future.

[cmdterps44]

Nah The Lerners did a great job on the offer, I will give them that.

But if we just die after that offer and not look to trade/sign ANYONE... we'll then we may be doomed. DOOMED!

[Air Zimmerman]

Here are the line-ups if we fail to add anyone this offseason:

SS Guzman
CF Milledge
1B Johnson (cough cough, i mean casto/orr/belliard)
RF Dukes
3B Zimmerman
LF Willingham
C Flores
2B Anderson

or

SS Guzman
CF Milledge
1B Willingham
LF Dukes
3B Zimmerman
RF Kearns
C Flores
2B Anderson

doesn't strike fear in anyone's eyes.

it will strike fear into teams eyes once Dukes emerges as the unstoppable beast he's destined to be and the rest of the team follows suit.

[spidernat]

Nah The Lerners did a great job on the offer, I will give them that.

Bullcrap! If I recall correctly their offer was 185 to the yankees 180. The article said they were perhaps "willing" to go to 200 if they were given the chance but why not offer it anyway and see if they would've turned it down. They were probably afraid he would've accepted the 200.

[sportsfan882]

It's not the Lerners' fault if players don't want to come here right now. They offered the biggest contract to the best offensive player available, and he passed. I give them an A for effort. It's going to be up to the players that ARE here now to stay healthy and produce this season so better players will want to come here in the future.

I think I agree with you. We can't force players to come here.

[tomterp]

Bullcrap! If I recall correctly their offer was 185 to the yankees 180. The article said they were perhaps "willing" to go to 200 if they were given the chance but why not offer it anyway and see if they would've turned it down. They were probably afraid he would've accepted the 200.

The Nats also reportedly offered an opt-out after 4 years, an option with significant value to any player who might be able to command a higher contract at that point.  More than the $5m, this was a substantial enhancement to the Nats' offer over and above what we know about anybody else's offer.

[spidernat]

It looks like Kasten and the Lerners have had a successful offseason after all.

[spidernat]

The Nats also reportedly offered an opt-out after 4 years, an option with significant value to any player who might be able to command a higher contract at that point.  More than the $5m, this was a substantial enhancement to the Nats' offer over and above what we know about anybody else's offer.

Money talks. Why not just offer the 200 they were supposedly "willing" to offer.

[cmdterps44]

Bullcrap! If I recall correctly their offer was 185 to the yankees 180. The article said they were perhaps "willing" to go to 200 if they were given the chance but why not offer it anyway and see if they would've turned it down. They were probably afraid he would've accepted the 200.

Ah yes, i forgot about there willing... And what i meant was i liked there effort, and not the final offer, they easily should've went higher but i still like there "attempt"... Lets just hope/pray they go and pay for better players

[Nat of the Living Dead]

It's not the Lerners' fault if players don't want to come here right now. They offered the biggest contract to the best offensive player available, and he passed. I give them an A for effort. It's going to be up to the players that ARE here now to stay healthy and produce this season so better players will want to come here in the future.

Thank you, Ronny. Well said and I agree. I really think at this point all the anger from the Hammonds and Sportsfans of the world is really misplaced. The Lerners, Kasten, and even (dear god) JimBo are not perfect, but they have always been upfront with the fans about their plans, honest, and so far are doing everything in their power to bring some hope to DC. They haven't failed in the slightest on their end of the stick. However, who has failed us are the players, from Zimmerman to Bergmann.

Teix proved that when it comes to DC, money is a weak bargaining chip. The Nats don't have a whole lot to bargain with to begin with. Winning and commitment will bring players here and THEN when that is seen and known, then money will come into play but until then, it is up to the players on the field to produce and deliver us from this dark patch. They haven't been getting it done and I don't think any single one of them will deny that.

[sportsfan882]

Ah yes, i forgot about there willing... And what i meant was i liked there effort, and not the final offer, they easily should've went higher but i still like there "attempt"... Lets just hope/pray they go and pay for better players

These "better players" that you speak of won't come play here for a losing team no matter how much money we throw at them.

[PatsNats28]

These "better players" that you speak of won't come play here for a losing team no matter how much money we throw at them.

Not true... there are multiple cases of players taking the money and going to bad teams.

[Nat of the Living Dead]

Bullcrap! If I recall correctly their offer was 185 to the yankees 180. The article said they were perhaps "willing" to go to 200 if they were given the chance but why not offer it anyway and see if they would've turned it down. They were probably afraid he would've accepted the 200.

I think you need to accept the fact that whether the Nats, O's, Kansas City, or whoever offered Teix $200 million, he still was going to the Yanks.

[spidernat]

I think you need to accept the fact that whether the Nats, O's, Kansas City, or whoever offered Teix $200 million, he still was going to the Yanks.

I guess we'll never really know because although the Lerners are said to have been "willing", they never actually made the offer. Why not just throw the offer out there if you're willing to spend it? It would either be turned down or accepted. No harm either way. If they felt they never had a shot then any offer they extended was token anyway. Had they actually offered 200 and been turned down then that's another story. But they didn't. Probably because they were worried Teixeira may have accepted the 200.

[Minty Fresh]

Manny just doesn't fit here.

But Dunn does?

Manny's career OPS v. RHP is .980, Dunn's is .931.

How are we WORSE with Manny?  Just because he's a righty?  Makes NO sense....

[spidernat]

But Dunn does?

Manny's career OPS v. RHP is .980, Dunn's is .931.

How are we WORSE with Manny?  Just because he's a righty?  Makes NO sense....

I think people oppose Ramirez based on his age and his history of slacking off whenever he feels like it.

[cmdterps44]

These "better players" that you speak of won't come play here for a losing team no matter how much money we throw at them.

How would you know?

For one the Tex situation was kinda bs, i mean he wanted to win, we all knew that, the more i think of it, i wanted a larger offer to be out there and turned down. Don't know what good that would've done but still would've showed others promise.

and a "better player" i refer to is Dunn and Hudson, our "supposed" plan B made by Bill Ludsun. I know you don't want Dunn here but he is easily the best choice we can get in the FA market for first base. I'm sure if the price is right he'd come.

Orlando Hudson, I've heard he doesn't care where he plays, just wants to play.

Sure we may be the worst but I know money is at the top of peoples mind.. In Tex's situation, the offers were close enough were he could get both of his needs: Money and Wins.

[cmdterps44]

But Dunn does?

Manny's career OPS v. RHP is .980, Dunn's is .931.

How are we WORSE with Manny?  Just because he's a righty?  Makes NO sense....

I wouldn't mind Manny here only if he would play to his full extent and not pull any of that crap Ive heard he does because hes Manny. We just don't need that