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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #75: October 15, 2024, 04:11:23 PM »
If Young wins, he'd be the first Nats gold glove winner since Adam LaRoche in 2012

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #76: October 15, 2024, 05:17:31 PM »
I'm a lot more worried about 1B/DH and top of the rotation than I am replacing Jacob Young.

Nats aren't getting an 'ace' signing unless ownership wants their 2020's Werth signing. Hope it happens! Otherwise I think you see them bank on Gore improvement and trying to find a good mid-rotation starter you trust starting a playoff game between Gore and one of Parker/Irvin. Not saying that's right move, just what I expect.
There isnt a whole lot of talent in the mid-rotation game. Its Flaherty, Yusei Kikuchi, Manaea, and trade for Nestor Cortes?

If Rizzo is going to get to spend big, then it will be a starting pitcher.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #77: October 15, 2024, 08:00:30 PM »
I am glad for first time in a long time I am seeing hypothetical Nats trades where we can offer a couple decent prospects without it completely zeroing out the system at a position.
This got me thinking about more trades.

What about trading for Josh Naylor and signing him to an extension? Naylor will turn 28 next season, which will be his last before free agency. He is coming off a 31 homer season and plays a decent first base. Moreover, he has postseason experience and seems to have vibes that would work well with this team.

He made 6.5 million this year, and is estimated to double that in his final year of arbitration. With Manzardo ready to take over first base, they may look to trade Naylor.

Obviously, we would make it contingent on an extension. Im not sure what an extension looks like, as they seem to be all over the place

This says 5 years for 55 million before this season:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5348599/2024/03/18/cleveland-guardians-contract-extensions-josh-naylor-tanner-bibee/

Fangraphs has him at 4 years, 80 million but April of this year: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/lets-sign-some-contracts-2024-edition/

Either one of these seem reasonable. I'd maybe try and split the 4 years, 80 million into a five year deal with lower AAV. Or maybe work it into a player option after his third season. But his floor feels like Joc Pederson, and theres a chance he combines 2023 average with 2024's power.

If you could get an extension, I'd be willing to offer up a Morales, Feliz, and another lower end prospect.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #78: October 16, 2024, 01:45:16 AM »
This got me thinking about more trades.

What about trading for Josh Naylor and signing him to an extension? Naylor will turn 28 next season, which will be his last before free agency. He is coming off a 31 homer season and plays a decent first base. Moreover, he has postseason experience and seems to have vibes that would work well with this team.

He made 6.5 million this year, and is estimated to double that in his final year of arbitration. With Manzardo ready to take over first base, they may look to trade Naylor.

Obviously, we would make it contingent on an extension. Im not sure what an extension looks like, as they seem to be all over the place

This says 5 years for 55 million before this season:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5348599/2024/03/18/cleveland-guardians-contract-extensions-josh-naylor-tanner-bibee/

Fangraphs has him at 4 years, 80 million but April of this year: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/lets-sign-some-contracts-2024-edition/

Either one of these seem reasonable. I'd maybe try and split the 4 years, 80 million into a five year deal with lower AAV. Or maybe work it into a player option after his third season. But his floor feels like Joc Pederson, and theres a chance he combines 2023 average with 2024's power.

If you could get an extension, I'd be willing to offer up a Morales, Feliz, and another lower end prospect.

Don’t need anymore fat bodies that can’t play a position

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #79: October 16, 2024, 11:06:06 AM »
This got me thinking about more trades.

What about trading for Josh Naylor and signing him to an extension? Naylor will turn 28 next season, which will be his last before free agency. He is coming off a 31 homer season and plays a decent first base. Moreover, he has postseason experience and seems to have vibes that would work well with this team.

He made 6.5 million this year, and is estimated to double that in his final year of arbitration. With Manzardo ready to take over first base, they may look to trade Naylor.

Obviously, we would make it contingent on an extension. Im not sure what an extension looks like, as they seem to be all over the place

This says 5 years for 55 million before this season:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5348599/2024/03/18/cleveland-guardians-contract-extensions-josh-naylor-tanner-bibee/

Fangraphs has him at 4 years, 80 million but April of this year: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/lets-sign-some-contracts-2024-edition/

Either one of these seem reasonable. I'd maybe try and split the 4 years, 80 million into a five year deal with lower AAV. Or maybe work it into a player option after his third season. But his floor feels like Joc Pederson, and theres a chance he combines 2023 average with 2024's power.

If you could get an extension, I'd be willing to offer up a Morales, Feliz, and another lower end prospect.
Stats look like a decent DH. I'd be higher on him if Nationals think he'd be hold up at 1B.

Only issue is then him, Tena, Luis Garcia, Abrams, James Wood are all hitting from the left side. You're hoping either Chaparro or Yepez becomes an every day player or you probably need to add another righty bat or Dylan Crews is your only every day bat hitting from the right side.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #80: October 16, 2024, 11:26:33 AM »
Stats look like a decent DH. I'd be higher on him if Nationals think he'd be hold up at 1B.

Only issue is then him, Tena, Luis Garcia, Abrams, James Wood are all hitting from the left side. You're hoping either Chaparro or Yepez becomes an every day player or you probably need to add another righty bat or Dylan Crews is your only every day bat hitting from the right side.
Tena is a placeholder and he seems to handle lefties well. House will slide in nicely there, hopefully by mid-season. We also have two switch hitting catchers we can leverage in a lineup for right handed bats.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #81: October 16, 2024, 04:18:48 PM »
So Bleacher Report did an article of one unpopular trade for each team

https://www.si.com/mlb/nationals/news/washington-nationals-center-fielder-proposed-as-player-to-trade

Jacob Young was their pick for the nationals.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #82: October 16, 2024, 04:50:51 PM »
So Bleacher Report did an article of one unpopular trade for each team

https://www.si.com/mlb/nationals/news/washington-nationals-center-fielder-proposed-as-player-to-trade

Jacob Young was their pick for the nationals.
not an unpopular trade if we need to move Crews to CF to clear room for Soto in RF. :)

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #83: October 16, 2024, 05:26:27 PM »
This is from the article. What are they smoking:

"While it has been a rough couple of seasons for Washington, the 16-win improvement in 2024 from 2023 is a clear sign that the franchise is heading in the right direction. "

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #84: October 16, 2024, 05:29:41 PM »
So Bleacher Report did an article of one unpopular trade for each team

https://www.si.com/mlb/nationals/news/washington-nationals-center-fielder-proposed-as-player-to-trade

Jacob Young was their pick for the nationals.

Dumb idea to trade Young.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #85: October 16, 2024, 05:36:31 PM »
This is from the article. What are they smoking:

"While it has been a rough couple of seasons for Washington, the 16-win improvement in 2024 from 2023 is a clear sign that the franchise is heading in the right direction. "
I think they meant 2022.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #86: October 16, 2024, 05:43:18 PM »
Dumb idea to trade Young.

Is it?

This team scored 660 runs last year. Only one team that scored under 700 made the playoffs this year. Bottom line is the Nats need 75+ more runs. A light hitting, defensive first CFer is a luxury the Nats cant really compete with

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #87: October 16, 2024, 08:20:07 PM »
I want a rotation leader as well as netting a couple of better bats. Depending on the markets, it might be sumpler to sign Santander and a bat for 1st and deal for the pitcher, then rely on some combo of Yepez and other internal oprions for dh

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #88: October 16, 2024, 08:47:42 PM »

Look at the names on the 2019 roster and tell me that this team has any chance whatsoever of competing without a significant overhaul...not just plugging in a few pieces. 

That overhaul should have started by throwing dave and his crew of Gilligans off the Minnow.  Even with that 2019 roster, without Trent Grisham this organization is still looking for its first postseason series win.


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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #89: October 16, 2024, 10:56:11 PM »
Is it?

This team scored 660 runs last year. Only one team that scored under 700 made the playoffs this year. Bottom line is the Nats need 75+ more runs. A light hitting, defensive first CFer is a luxury the Nats cant really compete with

I think it is. They should get major bat increase from right and left for a full year from what they got last year. Also, it's not like he's a bum at the plate. Often his singles turn into doubles and he puts more pressure on a pitcher when he's on the bases. His fielding shouldn't be minimized either. How many big hits does he take away.

No question they need more home runs which they will get not only from the outfield but from the infielders coming back and hopefully from signing a first baseman, possibly a DH and third from House or somebody else.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #90: October 17, 2024, 10:02:22 AM »
I'm open to trading Young, but it shouldn't be done lightly. He was the best player on the team last season by value. That lost value will need to be accounted for in any analysis of trading him.

I think it would likely be easier to keep him and just sign a 1B/DH directly to improve the offense.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #91: October 17, 2024, 01:59:56 PM »
Keep him another year to see if he takes a step forward.  He improved every year in college and the minors so maybe he has another offensive gear.  If he can just get to .270/.340/.360 he’s a stud

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #93: October 17, 2024, 06:20:31 PM »
Letter to fans from mark lerner
https://curlyw.mlblogs.com/from-the-desk-of-mark-d-lerner-3072fc0bd6f7

That's nice but we know what happened in the past season. It would of been better had he gave some insight into what we can expect this offseason.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #94: October 17, 2024, 06:33:59 PM »
I am ok with him saying thanks to folks shelling out $.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #95: October 17, 2024, 06:49:55 PM »
It would of been better had he gave some insight into what we can expect this offseason.

Reading between the lines, I'd say Williams won't be back...but, yeah...pretty much a nothingburger...exactly what you'd expect from him, or his PR Department...

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #96: October 17, 2024, 06:50:36 PM »
I am ok with him saying thanks to folks shelling out $.

I'd rather he'd announced that the team is up for sale again...

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #97: October 17, 2024, 10:23:27 PM »
Reading between the lines, I'd say Williams won't be back...but, yeah...pretty much a nothingburger...exactly what you'd expect from him, or his PR Department...


The message basically is that, due to progress of some of the players, he’s happy with the team, as is. I wouldn’t get hopes up for major aquisitions.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #98: October 17, 2024, 10:46:59 PM »


The message basically is that, due to progress of some of the players, he’s happy with the team, as is. I wouldn’t get hopes up for major aquisitions.

Fortunately, that doesn't dash my hopes...I didn't expect him to open up the purse anyway...

Wonder how many post game concerts we'll be treated to in '25?

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #99: October 18, 2024, 10:43:10 AM »
That's nice but we know what happened in the past season. It would of been better had he gave some insight into what we can expect this offseason.


I think that translates to: "Don't get your hopes up, I'm not gonna spend jacksh** on FA's this Winter" lol.