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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #25: October 05, 2024, 03:10:37 PM »
Tomoyuki sugano coming to mlb this year.  Dominant in npb for a long time, had a few average years, and then dominant this year.  Will be 35 so likely no more than a 4 year deal

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #26: October 05, 2024, 04:05:58 PM »
Tomoyuki sugano coming to mlb this year.  Dominant in npb for a long time, had a few average years, and then dominant this year.  Will be 35 so likely no more than a 4 year deal
RHP, starter, 6 pitch mix from 92 - 77 MPH. Command is his big strength. Walks about 1/9 IP.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #27: October 05, 2024, 05:02:47 PM »
No way Sugano is coming to DC.  Just forget about it.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #28: October 05, 2024, 05:33:58 PM »
No way Sugano is coming to DC.  Just forget about it.
there's a lot of good pitchers hitting free agency this winter. Good, not elite, but good is helpful.

When you google Sugano,  it links to an espn site that lists the following:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/41604878/sources-tomoyuki-sugano-heading-mlb-japanese-career

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The starting pitching market this winter is shaping up as strong, led by Corbin Burnes, reigning National League Cy Young winner Blake Snell, left-hander Max Fried and right-hander Jack Flaherty. If the Chiba Lotte Mariners decide to post Roki Sasaki, the 22-year-old fireball-throwing right-hander, the sweepstakes for his services will draw perhaps every team in MLB, with restrictions on his bonus making him a bargain in the same way Ohtani was before hitting free agency.

Kikuchi has been among the best pitchers in baseball in the second half, while Luis Severino, Nick Pivetta and Nathan Eovaldi all will have healthy interest. Sean Manaea, Nick Martinez and Michael Wacha could opt out of their deals, and Shane Bieber and Walker Buehler are attractive pillow contract options.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #29: October 06, 2024, 12:04:56 PM »
MLBTR projects arbitration amounts for the 9 eligible Nats:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/10/projected-arbitration-salaries-for-2025.html
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Nationals (9)

    Tanner Rainey (5.127): $1.9MM
    Derek Law (5.081): $3MM
    Ildemaro Vargas (5.007): $1.8MM
    Kyle Finnegan (5.000): $8.6MM
    Luis Garcia Jr. (3.142): $4.8MM
    Josiah Gray (3.075): $1.4MM
    Mason Thompson (3.046): $800K
    Riley Adams (3.005): $1.1MM
    MacKenzie Gore (3.000): $3.5MM

Note that the list omits CJ Abrams, who has 2 years, 130 days service time. He may qualify for "Super 2" arbitration, but the service time cutoff for that has yet to be determined.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #30: October 07, 2024, 08:52:31 AM »
Per Francys Romero:
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The Washington Nationals named Victor Rodriguez as their new Director of International Operations, per sources.

Rodriguez has several years of experience in the international market and worked with the Red Sox and Rays before joining the Nats in 2023 where he served as Director of Latin America.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #31: October 07, 2024, 09:43:11 PM »
MLBTR projects arbitration amounts for the 9 eligible Nats:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/10/projected-arbitration-salaries-for-2025.html
Note that the list omits CJ Abrams, who has 2 years, 130 days service time. He may qualify for "Super 2" arbitration, but the service time cutoff for that has yet to be determined.

So that's about 32.3m with Keibert, call it 35m with CJ + another 15m or so to fill out the roster.  Add in $49m in deferrals, and that's a total of right around $100m.  League avg last year was $150m, so plenty of room to add players if they finally get serious.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #32: October 08, 2024, 08:56:53 AM »
So that's about 32.3m with Keibert, call it 35m with CJ + another 15m or so to fill out the roster.  Add in $49m in deferrals, and that's a total of right around $100m.  League avg last year was $150m, so plenty of room to add players if they finally get serious.

I find it pretty insulting that the Lerners would simply admit that they haven't been supporting any sort of competitive effort for the past several years.  That's a crappy way to run any business...

If your favorite restaurant suddenly started using 3 day old lettuce in their salads, they'd be shuttered in pretty quick order.  Guess they figured their concert series would only take them so far...

Unless they're back to bullcrapting us.  I guess this offseason will tell the story...

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #33: October 08, 2024, 09:56:39 AM »
I find it pretty insulting that the Lerners would simply admit that they haven't been supporting any sort of competitive effort for the past several years.  That's a crappy way to run any business...

Well, they did stop charging for soda in the FIS Club (once they raised the price). I really do wonder when they will try the next ticket price hike. In a way, I agree a bit with Ian. The SPH for the past couple of years have been suckers in some ways. I don't mind the trade-off of continuity in our seats, and I just love being at the ballpark, but looking around at the last 2 rows in 208, there's been a few games I've gone to where my group might be the only regulars there. I've had games where I'm the only one in our row, and it's not exactly Bob Uecker seats.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #34: October 08, 2024, 09:59:31 AM »
Well, they did stop charging for soda in the FIS Club (once they raised the price). I really do wonder when they will try the next ticket price hike. In a way, I agree a bit with Ian. The SPH for the past couple of years have been suckers in some ways. I don't mind the trade-off of continuity in our seats, and I just love being at the ballpark, but looking around at the last 2 rows in 208, there's been a few games I've gone to where my group might be the only regulars there. I've had games where I'm the only one in our row, and it's not exactly Bob Uecker seats.
As soon as the team wins, fans will be back. Look at Washington football. Even when everyone acknowledged that the stadium was terrible and the owner was crap, fans poured in when the team stumbled into a winning season.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #35: October 08, 2024, 10:02:40 AM »
MLBTR projects arbitration amounts for the 9 eligible Nats:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/10/projected-arbitration-salaries-for-2025.html
Note that the list omits CJ Abrams, who has 2 years, 130 days service time. He may qualify for "Super 2" arbitration, but the service time cutoff for that has yet to be determined.
I'm not sure everyone on this list gets offered arbitration. I could see them declining on Vargas, Rainey, Adams, and Thompson. Some of those guys will sign for less. At this point, Adams doesn't give you much. I'd rather spend the money on a glove first backup catcher. After nursing Rainey along, it'd be hard to let him walk, but I don't think he's a guarantee. At most, you hope for a Law-like season from him in 2025.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #36: October 09, 2024, 08:56:11 AM »
I didn't watch more than snippets of last night's game. I'm curious how Beuhler looked. That 2nd was a blow up, but it started with a bunch of grounders that were not turned into outs when fielded, and for the next 3 innings, he seemed fine in a 1 run game. Is he a top of the rotation candidate on a short term contract? Would you be afraid to chase him if the Dodgers don't sign him?

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #37: October 09, 2024, 09:37:24 AM »
I'm not sure everyone on this list gets offered arbitration. I could see them declining on Vargas, Rainey, Adams, and Thompson. Some of those guys will sign for less. At this point, Adams doesn't give you much. I'd rather spend the money on a glove first backup catcher. After nursing Rainey along, it'd be hard to let him walk, but I don't think he's a guarantee. At most, you hope for a Law-like season from him in 2025.
Thompson is barely over league minimum. They've already paid for his surgery and rehab.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #38: October 09, 2024, 09:38:07 AM »
MLBTR projects arbitration amounts for the 9 eligible Nats:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/10/projected-arbitration-salaries-for-2025.html
Note that the list omits CJ Abrams, who has 2 years, 130 days service time. He may qualify for "Super 2" arbitration, but the service time cutoff for that has yet to be determined.
Man, it would be wild if CJ misses Super 2 by a few days . . .

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #39: October 09, 2024, 11:19:27 AM »
Man, it would be wild if CJ misses Super 2 by a few days . . .
We can all assume the casino was not his first run-in with management. How did his agent not note, "Hey, if you get suspended/sent down this year, you're screwed"?

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #40: October 09, 2024, 12:02:10 PM »
We can all assume the casino was not his first run-in with management. How did his agent not note, "Hey, if you get suspended/sent down this year, you're screwed"?
Would be the ultimate conspiracy for service time manipulation. They had a guy follow him and the leak a story, just in time to avoid Super 2

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #41: October 09, 2024, 12:51:33 PM »
Man, it would be wild if CJ misses Super 2 by a few days . . .
he gets a full year for 2024 because he was active 172 days+

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #42: October 09, 2024, 12:56:32 PM »
he gets a full year for 2024 because he was active 172 days+
Oh, nevermind then

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #43: October 10, 2024, 12:54:27 AM »
Would be the ultimate conspiracy for service time manipulation. They had a guy follow him and the leak a story, just in time to avoid Super 2
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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #44: October 10, 2024, 12:36:10 PM »
I like Joc Pederson as a DH on a three year deal.

We could leverage Stone Garrett as the 4th outfielder and a platoon DH against LHP. That gives you a .900+ OPS from the DH position. It also gives us payroll and roster flexibility at the deadline.

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« Reply #45: October 10, 2024, 03:11:48 PM »
I like Joc Pederson as a DH on a three year deal.

We could leverage Stone Garrett as the 4th outfielder and a platoon DH against LHP. That gives you a .900+ OPS from the DH position. It also gives us payroll and roster flexibility at the deadline.

I like the outfield they had at the end of this year. They need to give both Call and Garret a shot at going north with the team next year.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #46: October 10, 2024, 05:17:53 PM »
I like the outfield they had at the end of this year. They need to give both Call and Garret a shot at going north with the team next year.
Nats really wouldn't need a backup CF with Crews and Wood both capable of playing there. I have a hard time seeing Call and Garrett both making the team if the Nats go for any DH.

I might go a little bigger at DH and aim for Santander or Teoscar. I also would be OK with including Young in the right deal for pitching, shifting Crews to center, and bringing in a free agent corner OF power bat.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #47: October 10, 2024, 07:11:29 PM »
Rizzo told mlb.com he "likes our catchers".  Not clear where Millas is, but Adams has the same issues throwing runners out Keibert does. 

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #48: October 10, 2024, 08:34:45 PM »
Rizzo told mlb.com he "likes our catchers".  Not clear where Millas is, but Adams has the same issues throwing runners out Keibert does. 

He just drafted two of them who are in our top-14 prospects.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #49: October 10, 2024, 10:32:15 PM »
He just drafted two of them who are in our top-14 prospects.

Fast track both and maybe one pans out sounds good to me.