2024 MLB Trade Deadline

[IanRubbish]

Somebody, somewhere needs a LHP platoon hitting option like Ramirez, right?

Harold?  He was just DFA'd by Tampa before the Nats picked him up.  Your WNFF account has greater trade value than he does.

[imref]

MLB pipeline already has Clemmey as our #6 prospect. Ramirez Jr. is 23

[zimm_da_kid]

Harold?  He was just DFA'd by Tampa before the Nats picked him up.  Your WNFF account has greater trade value than he does.

What value does my account have?

[varoadking]

What value does my account have?

Anyone see zimm_da_kid lately?

[IanRubbish]

MLB pipeline already has Clemmey as our #6 prospect. Ramirez Jr. is 23

Shows how thin the system is after Wood/Crews/House

[nobleisthyname]

Shows how thin the system is after Wood/Crews/House

Slots in at 13th on Fangraphs' rankings. Tena 10th and Ramirez 29th.

[Slateman]

I just cant believe you cant get anything for Harold Ramirez.

[Scrapple]

I just cant believe you cant get anything for Harold Ramirez.

Well, you could probably get 3 more waterlogged baseballs for him than you could get for Corbin. 

[Scrapple]

Before yesterday happened I thought Rizzo might try to package Corbin with Finnegan to try to unload some of his salary. Now i’m not so sure if there are any takers of either one for even marginal market value. We will soon find out I guess. 

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Somebody, somewhere needs a LHP platoon hitting option like Ramirez, right?

We sometimes channel the same thoughts. However, it's just hard to believe he was waived through MLB so he could sign here about a month ago, and then somebody out there is going to trade for him now. I guess he's "fixed," so maybe. Thank Darnell Coles if it happens

[Mattionals]

Given how few arms we have that can safely start and not overtax the bullpen, I feel like Corbin has value of saving other arms while giving up 8 runs over 7 innings. Just pencil in the loss and call it arm insurance.

[Slateman]

We sometimes channel the same thoughts. However, it's just hard to believe he was waived through MLB so he could sign here about a month ago, and then somebody out there is going to trade for him now. I guess he's "fixed," so maybe. Thank Darnell Coles if it happens

Anything is better than nothing. Like, the Cardinals have a 81 wRC+ against LHP, with their LFer, primary DH, and CFers all being well under that. Pham helps with that, but Ramirez could DH against lefties, allowing them to keep Contrereas at catcher.

I'm not saying its gotta be a haul, but I would much rather trade him and let Blankenhorn/Adams platoon at DH, and bring up Dylan Crews to play the outfield.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

I suppose if you get international signing money, then it is something.

[imref]

Before yesterday happened I thought Rizzo might try to package Corbin with Finnegan to try to unload some of his salary. Now i’m not so sure if there are any takers of either one for even marginal market value. We will soon find out I guess. 

One meltdown isn't going to change Finnegan's value. Closers blow saves, it happens. He hadn't allowed a run in 10 of his previous 14 appearances.  More worrisome is his FIP which is sitting at 4.77. 

[Smithian]

I don't think Corbin has any value for a club outside Washington, which just needs a guy to out every 5th day while we work in some young pitchers around him.

[Elvir Ovcina]

One meltdown isn't going to change Finnegan's value. Closers blow saves, it happens. He hadn't allowed a run in 10 of his previous 14 appearances.  More worrisome is his FIP which is sitting at 4.77.

FIP is stupid.  It's just walks/homers/Ks and then multiplied by whatever random number (it changes every year) to make it look like an ERA. 

[nobleisthyname]

FIP is stupid.  It's just walks/homers/Ks and then multiplied by whatever random number (it changes every year) to make it look like an ERA.

To be fair, walks/homers/Ks are pretty important for a pitcher.

[Elvir Ovcina]

To be fair, walks/homers/Ks are pretty important for a pitcher.

And they're conveniently included in a stat line already.  The problem with FIP is the artificial freaking with it to make it look like a peer to ERA.  It's not.  It's a usable metric to judge potential regression, but...yunno, so is K/BB ratio. 

It's especially garbage in small samples, where knocking off the intentional walks and one homer lowers Finnegan's by almost half a run.  That's one effing pitch in an entire season.

He's not as good as his ERA suggests.  But all you need to get there is a pair of eyeballs.

[Slateman]

FIP is stupid.  It's just walks/homers/Ks and then multiplied by whatever random number (it changes every year) to make it look like an ERA. 

And they're conveniently included in a stat line already.  The problem with FIP is the artificial freaking with it to make it look like a peer to ERA.  It's not.  It's a usable metric to judge potential regression, but...yunno, so is K/BB ratio.

No, it really isn't. It converts those numbers to something that is comparable with more established metrics. Its like saying ERA is stupid because you already have access to earned runs and innings pitched.


All of Finnegan's stats point to regression. This is why I was so adamant about dealing him. He's going to be 34 with some of the most relief innings pitched. He is entirely reliant on velocity. He is likely to have a very sudden and dramatic drop off. Get whatever you can for him at this deadline.

[Natsinpwc]

Should have sold on Finny weeks ago.

[Elvir Ovcina]

Should have sold on Finny weeks ago.

Yes, if it was possible.  But he's also not awful and has another year of team control.  Given the roster and budget situation, keeping him isn't a terrible result either. 

[nobleisthyname]

It's especially garbage in small samples, where knocking off the intentional walks and one homer lowers Finnegan's by almost half a run.  That's one effing pitch in an entire season.

This is even more true of ERA though (Finnegan being a great example). No one stat should ever be used as the be all end all.

[imref]

Is it too much to dream that Rizzo will use all these new prospects to grab a piece that could help us next year - Crochet for example?

[Natsinpwc]

Is it too much to dream that Rizzo will use all these new prospects to grab a piece that could help us next year - Crochet for example?

Throw in House and maybe Susana.

[Senatorswin]

It seems lately Finny is getting way to much of the plate and just firing fastballs instead of pitching.